The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

It does however mean that they are not military weapons.



Banning pistol grips on rifles will not solve any problems.



Having a pistol grip on a rifle does not make it a tool of mass murder.

Banning all bullets might also work.

The second amendment does not give you a right to ammunition you can bare arms, the arms just would not have an ammunition.

Those weapons are designed to military specification. Once the patent for the assault weapon expired anyone could build that type of military weapon.
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It will not stop all of the killings but it will slow them way down. Killing 9 people in thirty seconds won’t happen without assault weapons. Assault weapons make mass murder so easy a kid can do it.
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Assault weapons can murder 9 people in thirty seconds. As long as the streets are awash in assault weapons all the children will need bullet proof back packs for school but when tested they don’t stop bullets from assault weapons.
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Except for the fact that the Constitution forbids it.

That is incorrect. The Second Amendment protects our right to have effective ammunition.

That is incorrect. Having a pistol grip does not mean that a gun is designed to military specification.

For an example of a weapon designed to military specification, look to the English longbow.



Having a pistol grip on a gun does not make it a military weapon.

I don't think anyone ever patented the idea of pistol grips.



That is incorrect. Outlawing pistol grips will not reduce the rate of killing.



That is incorrect. Outlawing pistol grips will not change the rate at which guns can kill.



That is incorrect. Pistol grips do not make murder any easier.



Which is no faster than it would be if the gun did not have a pistol grip.



That would depend on whether the assault weapon was a centerfire rifle. Kevlar doesn't stop centerfire rifle bullets.

The constitution does not speak to ammunition only about baring arms. That way you could just beat the other gun nut to death with the assault weapons.

It is very easy to read things that aren’t there the founding fathers seemed to overlook the right to ammunition. Even one of the Republican congressmen from Fla is now saying that the 2nd amendment is a fundamental right but not an absolute right. He explained that none of the rights are absolute.

The pistol grip is not what is causing the majority of the problems, the problem is the capability of firing at a 900 rounds a minute rate. The witnesses in Dayton described a steady round of fire, much like fire from a full-automatic. I don’t know whether the assault weapon was modified to full-automatic but the witnesses described full-automatic fire. Maybe the shooter just had a really quick trigger finger.
Bow and arrows are relics from a different age.
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A pistol grip is not required for an assault weapon. Since pistols have had a pistol grip for hundreds of years, they may not have been patents at the time.
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Outlawing assault weapons in the past worked. Mass murders were not as often and not as deadly.
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There are cars that are made for basic transportation and there are cars that are designed to do over 200 mph. Guns are designed the same way there are those that are just designed to fire a few rounds slowly like a revolver but assault weapons are designed to fire hundreds of rounds. I would have never taken a Volkswagen Bug on the race track and I would never have driven one of my race cars on the street. Assault weapons have no place off the battlefield and race cars have no place on the street. Driving a race car down the street at 200 mph would have the same effect as an assault weapons on the streets it would kill a lot of people. Just because you build it does not mean it should be on the streets.
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All you have to do to kill lots of people is be able to pull the trigger and yes kids have done it.
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I would have to differ with you on that the pistol grip makes it much easier to fire rapidly into a crowd.
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They tested the bullet proof back backs and while they stopped bullets fired from ordinary gun the assault weapons went straight through them. The bullet proof back packs are selling like hot cakes at $300 each.
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Indeed, in good legal thinking rights are relative to one another, and not absolute, because they impact on one another.

That is incorrect. The ammunition counts as part of the arm.

The Founding Fathers understood that the ammunition is part of the arm.



That is pretty straightforward. There is nothing unusual in that.

All rights can be restricted if the restriction can be justified with a good reason.

This does not mean that unjustifiable restrictions are allowed.

No problems at all in fact. And that is why it is unconstitutional to ban pistol grips.



That's no problem. Semi-autos cannot fire that fast to begin with.



The English longbow is still a prime example of a military weapon.



The definition of "assault weapon" is based around pistol grips and other harmless cosmetic features.



Outlawing pistol grips does not change the frequency of mass murders, and does not change how deadly they are.



Adding a pistol grip to a rifle does not change the number of rounds that it can fire.



Assault weapons are used in hunting and in civilian self defense.



Pistol grips do not cause more people to be killed.



Pistol grips have nothing to do with that.



Pistol grips do not make a gun any easier to fire into a crowd.



Assault weapons are ordinary guns.

Kevlar (assuming that it is thick enough) will stop rounds from handguns, shotguns, and rimfire rifles.

Kevlar will not stop rounds from a centerfire rifle (or even diminish their lethality).

Pistol grips have nothing to do with this.

I've never seen a right impact on another right.

You haven't seen much.

Yes I have.

It isn't surprising that you failed to counter with any examples of rights impacting other rights. It's a failure that I expected to see.

You are seeing things that are not there the Constitution is absolutely silent on ammunition. You could just as easily claim that the 2nd amendments says you are entitled to have nerve gas. The Constitution is silent on that also.

The founding fathers may have been well aware that ammunition was needed for a gun but they had a chance to grant a right to ammunition but choose not to. Ammunition may be available but you have no Constitutional right to it and the congress can limit the supply and type or prohibit its sale.
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Ten thousand dead people can’t be wrong they died needlessly killed with weapons designed to fight wars with. That is ten thousand excellent reason to ban weapons of war.

If pistol grips were not part of the problem mass murderers would not choose those types of weapons with pistol grips.
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Patents were issued for the AR-15 because it could fire far more bullets faster. This was the difference between a Model T and a Ferrari. Semi-automatics have been around for a long time AR-15s only since the early 60s.
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The club was the classic weapon of war for years but wars have not been fought with English long bows or clubs for centuries.
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The design specifications determine what an assault weapon is the pistol grip is only one feature and not the most important. An AR-15 is made in a standard rifle model it would be considered an assault weapon even without a pistol grip. Firing at a 900 rounds a minute rate is hardly harmless.
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Outlawing pistols grips might make only a small difference but banning assault weapons would save thousands of innocent lives. What we do know for a fact is the mass murder rate was far lower when we had an assault weapon ban in place and you have to remember that ban did nothing about the million or so assault weapons on the street. Just stopping the sale of new assault weapons to every extremist that has an ax to grind has a big effect.
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When a gun manufacture design assault weapons they design them to fire at a rate to make mass murder easy.
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Assault weapons were never designed to hunt with. I have lived near a large-woods that is filled with deer for over thirty years. During deer season you just hear single shots fired the deer is dead or ran away. When you hear the assault-weapons is when the gun nuts are pretending they are killing large numbers of people. You can hear the rapid fire coming from their driveway. Mass murderers in training. They don’t hunt with assault weapons. You can defend yourself with a shot gun and that is the gun that is in most police cars. Police know from experience that a shot gun will stop anyone.
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Pistols grips don’t kill but assault weapons just killed thirty-one people in 13 hours.
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Ban the assault weapons and we will save thousands of lives. Just stopping the extremist from going in and buying assault weapons any time they take a notion they want to kill a bunch of people is a big step in the right direction.
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If it did not make a difference, mass murderers would choose standard rifles instead of assault weapons with pistol grips.
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If assault weapons were ordinary guns, they would not be used to fight wars with. The demonstration on NBC showed the back packs being tested when an assault weapon was fired into the back pack the bullets went through.