The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

They also have no other use besides making a gun fire fast like a full-auto.

Semi-autos, on the other hand, have lawful uses like hunting and self defense.

That is why the Constitution requires that the restrictions be placed on the bump stocks and not on the semi-autos.



Semi-autos do not fire 900 rounds per minute.



That is incorrect. Pistol grips do not cause any problem.



If a new device of this sort is invented, it will simply be outlawed as well.



Semi-auto weapons do not fire 900 rounds a minute.



No one can pull a trigger 450 times in a minute.



Pistol grips do nothing to enhance strafing of a crowd.

And if a murderer fires without aiming, then they will not kill many people, if any at all.



Which is no different from any other semi-auto, and which is also why there is no justification for banning semi-autos.



That is incorrect. Having a pistol grip on a gun does not make it designed to kill people.



That is incorrect. Pistol grips do nothing to enhance any ability to kill people.



That is incorrect. Having a pistol grip on a rifle has nothing to do with mass murder.



That is incorrect. It is just as easy to hold a gun that doesn't have a pistol grip.



OK.



Let's see some proof that he held his gun in such an ineffective way.

If he did hold his gun that way, it would have made his gunfire much less lethal.



No it doesn't. It is very clear that that isn't possible.



It's still the only way for them to reliably harm someone.



No. I would want to fire as many well-aimed shots as possible.



I've never seen anyone strafe a crowd.

But I do know of at least one case where someone strafed a crowd with a gun at their shoulder: That Las Vegas bump stock shooter.



The only reason why a mass murderer would hold a gun by a pistol grip is because the gun that they were using happened to have a pistol grip on it.



OK.



That is incorrect. Most mass murders are done with handguns.



There is if you want to hit your target.



That is incorrect. Guns with pistol grips fire from the shoulder just as well as guns that don't have pistol grips fire from the shoulder.



OK.



That is the case with any weapon.



The pistol grips play no factor in those deaths.



Humanity has decided that some weapons are too horrible regardless of the numbers.



The rest of the world disagrees. They see no reason to consider a bullet any more horrible just because it is fired from a gun that has a pistol grip on it.



OK.



That is incorrect. They do not kill in greater numbers than conventional weapons. Chemical weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction because humanity considers their method of harm to be appalling.



That is incorrect. Pistol grips do not enhance the ability to kill people in any way.



The missiles hold zero explosives.



There is no explosion.



History shows that that is not true. Mass murderers who lack access to guns are happy to use knives, bombs, or heavy trucks driven at high speed to kill people.

A semi-automatic and assault weapon are two completely different animals. No semi-automatic can fire at the rate of 900 rounds a minute and none needs to. There is no reason to shoot a deer 900 times. The number of deer you can kill is limited so there is no need to kill the whole herd. The Constitution is silent on assault weapons as they were not invented until over a century after the constitution was written. The bump stock is just a mechanism to make the AR-15 fire faster and serves the same purpose as the mechanism in the gun. If you can ban one you can ban the other.
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Semi-automatic might not fire 900 rounds a minute but assault weapons were designed to fire at that rate.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++AssAssault weapons are designed to kill large number of people on the battlefield they have only one other purpose, mass murder. There were two shootings over already this week, one in California and one at a Wal Mart. At the Garlic Fest 3 were killed and 11 were wounded and wouldn’t you know it an assault weapon made it possible. The 19-year-old mass murderer bought his AK-47 legally on line all you need do is tell them how many people you want to kill and they will recommend an assault weapon and send you the necessary ammunition.
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The best approach to solve a problem is to go to the root of the problem and the root of the problem is the mechanism that makes assault weapons capable of firing at a 900 round a minute rate.
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Semi-automatics don’t fire 900 rounds a minute but assault weapons do and that is the specification listed by the manufacturer.
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Just trying pulling your trigger finger as many times as possible and a 450-minute rate is indeed possible.
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When firing into a large crowd people occupy most of the space. If you don’t hit the person in the front than you may hit someone in the fifth row back. Shooting into a large crowd it is impossible to miss. Someone shooting in the general direction of a crowd will kill far more than someone taking careful aim. While the murderer is aiming the crowd will escape. You need that assault weapon firing at 900 round a minute rate. That will make a mess of any crowd.
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The firing mechanism in assault weapons is far different than the one in a typical semi-automatic. That is why the AR-15 was patented. If you don’t make a major improvement you can’t get a patent.
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Assault weapons were designed to kill large number of people, they were not designed to go squirrel hunting with.
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If the pistol grip design version of assault weapons was banned mass murders might not stop but the body count would go down. Can you imagine how awkward it would be to fire a traditional rifle at waists level?
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I don’t know about you but if I was facing a large crowd of violent gang members, I would not want a rifle but an assault weapon held at waist height would bring down many gang members but a rifle at my shoulder would not stop them.
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The pistol grip is designed to be held by hands and offers a much more secure control of the gun.
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That may be what it is coming to is locked doors at public building with metal detectors. Our Courthouse has used metal detectors since 9/11. The metal detectors need to in front of a secure metal door.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Machine gun Kelly did not have any trouble robbing banks and few would take him on.
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That shooting took place in the Pulse Night Club. The mass murderer could not miss the people were packed in like sardines wherever he shot he hit someone. He did not waste many bullets. There is no doubt it took place that is history.
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While a mass murderer was taking aim, someone would take his gun away. Someone taking aim would lose his peripheral vision making him vulnerable to attack. You have to trust the mass murders and with the exception of one shooting from the top of a clock tower none bothered to take careful aim.
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As soon as the deer heard that first shot the rest of the heard would be history.
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The guns used by the Las Vegas shooter had pistol grips and for what he was doing were more than likely held with the pistol grips. The weapons with bump stocks may have been shoulder fired. One was mounted on bipods. Strafe from the shoulder would be much more difficult.
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That is the exact reason mass murderers chose assault weapons with pistol grips.
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That one shooting in Las Vegas was enough to get bump stocks banned.
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Most mass murders where large numbers of people are killed are done with assault weapons.
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If your target is a large crowd shooting in the general direction will be more efficient. The number of kills are proportional to the number of rounds fired.
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Strafing from the waist position is much easier.
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Pistol grips are like steering wheels on cars they make the car easier to drive.
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Weapons of mass destruction are those that kill masses of people. If there was an accurate body count on assault weapons people would be surprised.
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Dead is dead whether you get a bullet in the head in a night club or killed by an atomic bomb.
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Weapons of mass destruction kill masses of people and death is death.
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A rifle held at shoulder height is not as efficient as one at waist height when it comes to strafing
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Missiles were designed to carry a payload whether conventional or atomic.
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When our drones fire hells fire missiles there is quite an explosion and many dead people.
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We have never had a mass murder using a heavy truck in America. Knife attacks seldom kill more than one or two but we are now approaching a mass murder every day in America most using assault weapons.

Your right to hang on to useless stuff has been violated?

Our civil liberties have been violated in the past. But that galvanized us to start fighting for our civil liberties. At the moment we are protecting our civil liberties pretty well.

Although as you can see, the left remains desperate to violate our civil liberties.

So your civil liberties are about some useless stuff?

It is more that the question of usefulness does not apply with civil liberties.

Only serfs have to convince their government that they "need" a gun (or type of gun) before they are allowed to have it.

Free people decide that they want a certain gun, and then they go buy what they want.

So your civil liberties are useless?

No. Our civil liberties are vital.

Like I said, freedom is something that serfs just aren't able to understand.

Indeed, you seem very confused about freedom. It’s hardly a matter of futile and useless decorative features.

The Afghans too like to embellish their guns with rubans and pompoms and stuff. Highly frivolous, even fetishist IMMO (in my masterly opinion), and I don’t think the Afghans are free either.

Pretending that "my statement about your inability to understand" was referring to myself is just an attempt to hide from my point.



That is incorrect. If you feel that a feature is futile or useless, free people still have every right to possess that feature if they so choose.



Since the Afghans are not free, their government could ban such decorations and they would be required to comply.

Since Americans are free, any law banning such decorations would be unconstitutional in America.

Hitler had not met a Jew until he was in his twenties. He had no idea what they were about and was not worried about them. What Hitler recognized was that he could ride a tidal wave of hate to gain power. Trump is much the same he employees lots of illegal Mexicans and others from other South American countries in many of his businesses. If he thought they were gang members, criminals and rapists he would not go out of his way to hire them. So why call them criminals, gang members and rapists? To stir up hate of illegals and create a tidal wave of hate in America that he can ride to power.

LOL. There's no actual government over there, it's a theoretical construct. The reason Afghans are not free is that anarchy has never made anyone free, other than the most powerful. If you can't protect yourself or your kids from random violence, if you live in constant fear of getting bombed by some wacko or thrown acid at you, you're not really free, with or without pompoms.

We can all tell Trump is the type that never read a book since kindergarten but there was one. It was a book of Hitler’s speeches that he kept on his night stand. His relatives use to salute him with the typical style Hitler salute. Somewhere in Hitler’s speeches are the secrets to Trump’s success. Hitler may have been a monster but he had an understanding of human nature that far exceeded even the professionals of that day. Hitler was a master manipulator; psychopaths are so effective because they are master manipulators. Where most psychopaths manipulate one person at a time Hitler could manipulate massive crowds and eventually a whole country.

“The whole art consists in doing this so skillfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact will be real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself , since it’s function, like the poster, consists in attracting the attention of the crowd, and not in educating those who are already educated or who are striving after education and knowledge, its effect for the most part must be aimed at he emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect”

Hitler

51% of the people who voted for Trump had only a high school education or less an army of the ignorant.

Trump claimed in the run up to the election that he would not take a vacation but in Trumps first year in office he spent more on travel in his first year in office than Obama spent in 8 years in office. Trump’s trips to Mar-a-Lago cost $3 million each and he went every other week. Trump just happens to go to his own businesses so the government money profits him. This is a conflict of business and should be outlawed. The taxpayers paid Trump $60,000 just to rent golf carts for the secret service at Mar-a-Lago. Once Trump had spent all the money Congress had budgeted for presidential travel Congress had to allocate an additional $120 million. Of course, all of Trumps relatives traveled in style using government money. The annual Kushner family ski trip to Aspen cost the taxpayers $330,000, Trump has three wives and children with all of them and they all take lavish vacation on the taxpayer’s hard-earned money. Trump’s youngest daughter Tiffany went on a German tour and Mediterranean yachting holiday in July. Eric Trump’s business trip to Uruguay cost the secret service $100,000.

It was easy to determine who was at fault for the mass murder in El Paso today. Trump’s election strategy is finally bearing fruit. The shooter in El Paso made it extremely clear in a 600-word post on the internet why he wanted to murdered as many innocent people as possible. Trump made immigrants the enemy labelling them as criminals, gang members and rapist when he launched his campaign. They were the dragon Trump proposed to slay. The 21-year old’s stated motive was to kill immigrants. Trump is as guilty as if he was there reloading the shooter’s AK-47. Trump armed an impressionable mind with hate and malice and turned him lose on society. This is just the first of many shootings to come for those that Trump filled with hate of immigrants. This is what America is going to be under a hate monger. We all know people who try to make themselves more popular be denigrating others and that is Trump.

Another mass murder took place within hours of the of the El Paso hooting. The shooting in Dayton took places in area that was full of cops. The shooter was killed within 30 seconds of his first shot but because he was armed with an assault weapon with a hundred round barrel clip, he managed to kill 9 and wound twenty-seven. Can you imagine the death toll if he had lived another 30 seconds? These weapons of war have no place on the streets of America. We are moving toward two mass murders a day.

The consensus is that Trump is responsible for the El Paso shooting his rabid racist statements of hate are being listed and relisted by the media and over blogs. Trump of course wants to excuse it by saying that the shooter was mentally ill. The mentally ill often do the bidding of manipulators like Trump. When Trump tells the mentally ill in America that the Mexicans are an infestation the mentally ill understand it is their job to exterminate those that are infesting America. One forth of July a 26-year-old brain injured man lit fire crackers inside a fireworks store the resulting fire that killed nine and injured 11. Some teenagers had put him up to lighting the fire-works. America has hundreds of thousands of people just like that that people like Trump can manipulate. Trump is responsible for the El Paso shooting as if he pulled the trigger all he did was aim with the ignorant or mentally ill.

So far there is no evidence that the Anderson Manufacturing AM-15 has ever been used by any military. Nor are 100 round drums standard military issue.

Further, there is no justification for banning rifles with pistol grips.

I'm still working on my reply to your longer post. It's so long that I'm only halfway through it. I might have to triage again and only respond to part of it.

The weapon used in El Paso was an AK-47 variant and both shootings used military style assault weapons. There are many knockoffs of the assault weapons the military does not buy every knockoff but because the military did not buy them does not make them any less deadly. They are all kinds of military style assault weapons. The shooter in Dayton fired 41 rounds in 30 seconds if the Police response time had been two minutes the Dayton shooter would have set a new record.

There is only one solution to this blood bath, ban assault weapons permanently. The best way to stop a mechanic from working on cars would be to take his tools, without tools he can not work on cars. The assault weapons are the mass murderer’s tools, if you want to stop them take away their tools.

And bullets.

Unconstitutional. The Second Amendment protects our right to have effective ammo.