@Zardoz,
Zardoz wrote:If pistol grips were not part of the problem mass murderers would not choose those types of weapons with pistol grips.
They aren't choosing such weapons. Most choose handguns.
But pistol grips would not be a problem no matter what they chose.
Zardoz wrote:Patents were issued for the AR-15 because it could fire far more bullets faster.
That is unlikely. The German MG-42 was firing at rates up to 1500 rounds per minute in 1942.
Zardoz wrote:The design specifications determine what an assault weapon is the pistol grip is only one feature and not the most important.
It's one of the features that get a gun labeled as an assault weapon.
The other assault weapon features are equally as harmless.
Zardoz wrote:An AR-15 is made in a standard rifle model it would be considered an assault weapon even without a pistol grip.
That is incorrect. Without the harmless features like the pistol grip, it would not be labeled as an assault weapon.
Zardoz wrote:Firing at a 900 rounds a minute rate is hardly harmless.
Semi-auto weapons do not fire at a 900 rounds per minute rate.
Zardoz wrote:Outlawing pistols grips might make only a small difference
No difference at all in fact, which is why the Constitution forbids banning them.
Zardoz wrote:but banning assault weapons would save thousands of innocent lives.
That is incorrect. Banning pistol grips will not save a single life.
Zardoz wrote:What we do know for a fact is the mass murder rate was far lower when we had an assault weapon ban in place
Pistol grips on rifles had nothing to do with any change in murder rates.
Zardoz wrote:and you have to remember that ban did nothing about the million or so assault weapons on the street. Just stopping the sale of new assault weapons to every extremist that has an ax to grind has a big effect.
The addition of a pistol grip to a rifle has no effect at all.
Zardoz wrote:When a gun manufacture design assault weapons they design them to fire at a rate to make mass murder easy.
Adding a pistol grip to a rifle does not make it fire any faster.
Zardoz wrote:Assault weapons were never designed to hunt with.
That is incorrect. Plenty of assault weapons are designed for hunting.
Zardoz wrote:I have lived near a large-woods that is filled with deer for over thirty years. During deer season you just hear single shots fired the deer is dead or ran away. When you hear the assault-weapons is when the gun nuts are pretending they are killing large numbers of people. You can hear the rapid fire coming from their driveway. Mass murderers in training.
Assault weapons do not sound any different from guns that do not have a pistol grip.
Zardoz wrote:They don’t hunt with assault weapons.
Sure they do.
Zardoz wrote:You can defend yourself with a shot gun and that is the gun that is in most police cars.
Americans will defend themselves with whatever they choose to defend themselves with. So long as there is no justification for banning a weapon, they have the right to use it.
Many Americans will choose to defend themselves with rifles. Some will chose to use rifles that have a pistol grip.
Most police cars have some variant of an AR-15.
Zardoz wrote:Police know from experience that a shot gun will stop anyone.
Shotguns are useless against Kevlar.
Zardoz wrote:Pistols grips don’t kill
Which is why the Constitution forbids banning them.
Zardoz wrote:but assault weapons just killed thirty-one people in 13 hours.
The pistol grips were not a factor in their death.
Zardoz wrote:Ban the assault weapons and we will save thousands of lives.
That is incorrect. Banning pistol grips will not save any lives.
Zardoz wrote:Just stopping the extremist from going in and buying assault weapons any time they take a notion they want to kill a bunch of people is a big step in the right direction.
Violating people's civil liberties is never the right thing to do.
Zardoz wrote:If it did not make a difference, mass murderers would choose standard rifles instead of assault weapons with pistol grips.
Pistol grips don't make a difference. Mass murderers prefer handguns over rifles.
Zardoz wrote:If assault weapons were ordinary guns, they would not be used to fight wars with.
They aren't. Militaries prefer full-auto weapons.
Zardoz wrote:The demonstration on NBC showed the back packs being tested when an assault weapon was fired into the back pack the bullets went through.
Centerfire rifle bullets punch through Kevlar. That's no surprise.
Fit it out with a class III plate (or better yet, a plate rated both class III and class IV) and it'll be fine.