The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

You do it every time you complain about assault weapons.



That is incorrect. Having pistol grips on long guns has not caused a single murder.



That is incorrect. An assault weapon is just a long gun with a pistol grip on it.



That is incorrect. Adding a pistol grip to a long gun does not make it a tool of mass murder.



That does not change the fact that it is a weapon of war.



It made knights obsolete as a weapon of war.



That does not change the fact that they are weapons of war.



True. But it can also be a new invention.



Semi-auto guns cannot shoot 900 rounds a minute.



Violating people's civil liberties for fun is anything but good.

Gun control advocates should have their property seized and given as compensation to the people whose rights they needlessly violated.



That is incorrect. Banning pistol grips on long guns did not save a single life.



That is unlikely.



That does not change the fact that they will never allow you to commit another atrocity.



That is incorrect. No gun has ever been designed for mass murder.



The presence or absence of a pistol grip has no bearing whether a gun can accept a magazine or not.



That is incorrect. No manufacturer claims that they designed a semi-auto gun to fire 900 rounds per minute.



That does not change the fact that they are weapons of war.

Not all pistols are created equal and certainly not all long guns. In your world you believe all long guns are equal and the only thing that separates them is pistol grips. Assault weapons are the only guns designed to slaughter large numbers of people quickly.
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Is the AR-15 made in a model without a pistol grip? If so, I don’t think those models are used in mass murders. When you see assault weapons, they all seem to have pistol grips.
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Assault were designed to kill large number of people quickly that is not the case for other long guns. We know from experience they exceed the designer’s expectations.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Why are no mass murders committed with single shot 22 long guns? If we put a pistol grip on the 22 it would not change anything.
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It does not change the fact that the long bow would not be a good weapon to slaughter large number of people quickly.
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Man has devoted a lot of effort into designing weapons of war. The trouble today is those weapons of war are being used for sport on the general population.
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I will give you the fact that at one time in the distant past the long bow was a weapon of war.
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New inventions are routinely granted patents but improvements of current inventions are also granted patents. The overflow jug on cars was patented.
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The designer of the AR-15 designed it to fire at a rate of 900 rounds a minute.
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The courts have clearly ruled that there must be limits placed on guns. What of all the people being gunned down for sport by gun nuts? Do you think they don’t have any rights? When one person’s rights interfere with others people right to life limits must be put in place.

The only thing that should be seized is the weapons of mass destruction in the hands of gun nuts. New Zealand did exactly that after a recent mass shooting.
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Mass murders increased rapidly after the assault weapon ban expired.
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If the NRA officer committed crimes to aid the Russians they will go to jail.
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The NRA did not fight the first assault weapon ban and the past often predicts the future.
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When you design a weapon to be used in a war it is designed to kill the maximum number of people. Who would want to go to war with a weapon designed to kill the fewest people?
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It seems assault weapons just seem to be designed with pistol grips.
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You really need to talk to the designer of the AR-15 because that is what they were shooting for a gun that could fire at the rate of 900 rounds a minute and that is why they were granted a patent.
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At one time horses were a primary means of transportation and they will remain a method of transportation but they are an obsolete method of transportation.

No. I say the exact opposite. Pistol grips make no difference at all.



That is incorrect. Adding pistol grips to a long gun do not make it designed to slaughter people in any numbers.



I have no idea.



The presence or absence of pistol grips has no bearing on the outcome of any murder attempt.



That is incorrect. Pistol grips do not mean that a weapon was designed to kill people in any numbers.



Probably because a single shot weapon does not fire very fast.

It certainly has nothing to do with whether or not the gun has pistol grips on it.



That's why there is no justification for banning pistol grips.



That's why there is no justification for banning the English longbow.



I don't think English longbows are much danger to anyone.



And there is no justification for banning it.



OK.



No one has ever designed a semi-auto gun to fire at 900 rounds per minute.



Limits are allowed only if those limits can be justified with a good reason. There is no justification for banning pistol grips on a long gun.



Pistol grips on long guns have no bearing on any of their deaths.

There is really no need for directing name-calling at gun owners.



Pistol grips on long guns do not violate anyone's rights.



Pistol grips on long guns do not interfere with anyone's right to life.



There are no privately-owned weapons of mass destruction. Nuclear weapons are only owned by governments.

There is really no need for directing name-calling at gun owners.



I think New Zealand's stance against nuclear weapons goes back much further.



I doubt that. But even if it is true, pistol grips wouldn't be the cause.



To quote the ancient Greek city-state of Sparta:

If.



Yes they did. And a lot of civil-liberties-violating Democrats got voted out of office.



Adding a pistol grip to a long gun does not mean that it was designed either for war or for killing people.



It is more that the term assault weapon just means a long gun with a pistol grip.



They did not try to make a semi-auto gun try to shoot 900 rounds per minute.

They were granted a patent because they came up with a new and innovative design.



OK.

Then why were they added to the typical assault weapon design?

They make it easier to fire large numbers of rounds without having to raise the stock to one's shoulder. It's much easier to spray bullets indiscriminately from the hip.

Poor comparison between a single shot .22 and a modern assault-styled semi auto.

Because bows, even handled by the best archer, are not effective at mowing down masses of people when used by one individual.

Probably because an adjustable stock cannot be gripped easily.



The only people who fire guns that way are people who don't know how to fire a gun. The only thing they do when firing a gun that way is miss whatever they are shooting at.



The presence or absence of a pistol grip makes no difference on any gun.



Yes. That is also the reason why there is no justification for banning pistol grips on a long gun. A pistol grip does not make a long gun any more effective at massacring people than it already is.

Mere conjecture on your part. A terrorist who knows exactly how to fire a rifle for accuracy may also choose to fire for effect by unleashing a hail of rounds from the hip at a crowd. It's much easier than having your cheek pressed against the stock and you can maintain a good wide field of vision.

No conjecture. If a terrorist thinks that firing from the hip will have any effect other than missing the target, then that terrorist does not know how to use a gun.

A "terrorist" does not share the same objectives that a soldier or band of hunters would. In order to terrorize a population it's not necessary to make every shot count — actually, survivors who tell their harrowing tales are just as useful as victims in promoting the terrorists' narrative. The fact that terrorists know this doesn't mean they don't know how to use firearms properly in other circumstances.

This is an argument for having pistol grips on as many guns as possible. A feature that makes mass shootings less deadly can only be a good thing.

Restricting the sale of semi-autos to the public would be a better approach. Pistol grips, in and of themselves, don't directly contribute to the lethality of any particular gun, they merely give the user more choice of firing positions. The actual deployment of the weapon is the shooter's choice — he can choose to aim and fire as carefully as possible or he can rain lead in the general direction of the target. Diminishing the capacity of magazines and increasing the time necessary to chamber each round would make mass shootings less deadly.

Good luck getting that through Congress. People like their AR-15s. And hunters like having semi-autos soften the recoil in their shotguns. And Alaskans who need to fend off polar bears like having semi-autos soften the recoil of their .338 magnums.

For that matter, there are plenty of pistol lovers who like Colt M1911s. And WWII buffs who like M1 Garands.



Keep in mind that people have the right to have enough firepower for adequate self defense. Any restrictions that go so far as to cripple self defense will be struck down by the courts.

Maybe not through this Congress or this Supreme Court. But the day will come.

More likely it would be grizzlies.

People who are so inept that they can't chamber a round manually shouldn't even own a firearm. And people in such imagined or actual danger that they'd require more defensive power than that afforded by a revolver or a lever action carbine should seek psychiatric help or contact the police, respectively.

All those groups of people who like semi-autos for various reasons are not going to stop liking them in the future.



If you do not intend to go more restrictive than that, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about with the courts.

It seems that mass murders prefer pistol grips when you see pictures of their weapons, they have pistol grips. It seems mass murders don’t want to put a long gun to their shoulder.
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Mass murders want to kill large number of people and that is why they choose assault weapons. Mass murderers would probably use bombs but they lack the technical skills and supplies to build them. If they could go to the corner gun store and buy bombs, we would all be in trouble. So, they have to use the next best thing, assault weapons.
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They do indeed make an AR-15 without a pistol grip but mass murderers don’t use that model. It weighs only 5.7 lbs.
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Since the mass murderers have a choice there must be a reason, they choose pistol grips.
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There must be some reason that mass murderers choose pistol grips. It would be easier to disarm someone with a traditional style long rifle as they would not have as secure a grip on the rifle.
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That was the point. Mass murderers choose weapons that fire rapidly. The more bullets you can fire the more lives you can destroy. That is a good thing from the mass murders perspective.
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Guns with pistol grips appeal to mass murderers.
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No one has called for a ban on English Long Bows
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I suspect English long bows would be hard to come by.
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There is no danger that English long bows will be banned.
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ArmaLite no doubt got a small fortune for their patent when it was sold to Colt.
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The automatic AR-15 to fire 900 rounds a minute that means the semi-automatic gun still has that capability only the firing mechanism is different. The semi-automatic is only limited by the times you can pull the trigger. That would vary greatly depending on the amount of practice. The gun is capable it is only limited by the human being.
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I think if you were looking down the barrel of a mass murderer’s gun you might be more inclined to set limits.
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Pistols grips may have more to do with mass murder than we realize. I think gun nut is descriptive term just as rock bands have fan and the term is short for fanatic. Certainly, most gun owners are fanatics.
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At one time explosives were available to the public. If you wanted to take out a stump you could buy dynamite at the local hardware store but people kept blowing up other people and limits were put in place. Far more people are killed with guns today that were ever killed with dynamite. The trouble with dynamite was it didn’t care who it killed and that is the same way with assault weapons today.
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I would have to differ with you on that assault weapons are taking away people’s lives that is the most basic of all rights.
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When you kill 59 people and injury 500 that is mass destruction. How about gun fanatic?
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New Zealand made a believer out of gun owners in short order.
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No, it was assault weapons with pistol grips that caused it. Assault weapons not only made modern mass murder possible it made it so easy anyone could do it.
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Nobody can ever predict the out come of a court case it is a battle between lawyers. Often the lawyer that the jury likes best wins.
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The NRA corrupted our political process with money but the NRA’s political power is sunsetting. The last election saw 141 NRA backed candidates voted out of office. When parents realize the only thing the NRA has to offer is dead school children they may change their vote.
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I think in some situations the pistol grip would offer an advantage on the battlefield in other situations it would be a disadvantage.
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Assault weapon is an accepted classification of a type of a gun. They are marketed as assault weapons.
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The gun itself is no different other than the trigger mechanism. The gun itself is still capable of firing the 900 rounds. That patent was granted because those improvements let it fire so many more rounds per minute. When you designing an assault weapon your objective is to get it to fire as many rounds as possible.
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Trump is livid that Nancy Pelosi stated she wants to put him in prison. Trump can dish it out but he sure can’t take it. Trump led the chants of “lock her up” at his campaign rallies. Trump said of Pelosi that “She is a nasty, vindictive, horrible person.” By that standard, what would that make Trump?

Trump thinks he should be declared King for the great deals he is making. I don’t think putting an additional 25% tax on the middle class is a great deal and that is what the tariffs are. The Chinese are not going to pay one penny in tariffs whoever buys the products over here will pay the tariffs through higher prices. “Trump claims ‘a National Holiday would immediately declared’ if Obama made the deals he has.” If Obama had negotiated those deals the Republicans would want to lynch him. The Republican party had always been in favor of free trade until Trump came along. Seriously, does anyone know of a national holiday declared for a deal? They did not even declare a national holiday for Louisiana Purchase, when we got 827,000 square miles for $15 million, now that is a deal half a country for $15 million and I bet Jefferson never expected a national holiday for it.

The French could not handle mosquitoes. True story.

Hillary actually committed crimes and broke laws, Trump has been cleared of "collusion" and no Americans have been indicated for working with Russia.

Mosquitos were a problem all over the south not just in French territory. Malaria was quite a problem in the South until the 1930s. The African Americans had developed an immunity to malaria because they came from the jungles in Africa. Sickle cell anima gave blacks an immunity to malaria, even though it is considered a genetic disease today, it was believed to be an attempted adaptation to the environment at one time. In the old south blacks could work in places white men could not because they had resistance to malaria.

Trump was in no way cleared of collusion, a finding of not enough evidence to prosecute is in no way exonerates Trump in anyway, shape or form he can still be guilty as hell there is just not enough evidence prove the case beyond a shadow of a doubt. Mueller made it very clear that Trump was in no way exonerated by his investigation. Like all other cases it can be reopened if more evidence is found.

The 10 obstruction of justice incidences are up to House to prosecute. Even the Republicans believed Nixon should be impeached when Nixon ordered the firing of the special prosecutor. Trump did the exact same thing when he ordered Mueller fired. There is no question Trump obstructed justice. Trump has done more crimes in his life than most criminals doing life, he just had enough money to buy good lawyers to get him off. The fact that Trump was attending under age sex parties and didn’t get jailed while the host is doing time in prison should tell you something. Each time Trump grabbed a woman between her legs it was a sex crime. We currently have a man on trial for that very reason. It will be interesting to find how many years he gets and no doubt he will be placed on the sex offender list. Trump bragged about grabbing women between the legs. It is an extremely stupid criminal that brags about his sex crimes. Trump has been running between the rain drops way too long.