Gun owners are violent, as a group they are much more violent than normal people.
Now the Republicans have changed the law to make murder by gun nut legal. If a gun nut “feels” threatened, he can kill anybody for little or no reason.
When the murder rate is 19 times what it is in civilized countries it is guns that are at fault.
In this case we are just talking about the murder rate in America compared to the murder rate in Japan.
Anybody that believes that they have a gun in the house to protect their family is living a lie because the people most likely to die by that gun are the very same family members. The risk to family members is far higher than any imagined criminal activity.
The 900 rounds is the specification given by the manufacturer of the AR-15. That is the design capability that can be exploited by using accessories like bump stocks.
Using the words arms can only grant a right to what existed at the time. The founding fathers may have been smart, but they were not fortune tellers.
The founding fathers may have been smart, but they were not fortune tellers. They could not see into the future if they could have the second amendment would have landed on the cutting room floor.
The founding fathers could not see into the future.
Technology will no doubt be able to supply a weapon make that “arms” that could destroy the whole planet and you would still use the same lame argument.
It second amendment is read clearly without the BS from the gun manufacturers it only grants the gun technology that exists at the time.
I don’t of any police shooting that is considered a mass shooting.
In New York you might see Police with assault weapons here you seldom see one. Patrolmen have their Glock and a shot gun.
No they aren't.
The right to self defense underpins all modern government.
Wrong. Statistics show very clearly that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.
Cherry picked data has no validity.
Only in households where there would have been a homicide anyway even without the gun.
Bump stocks are illegal. No semi-auto can fire 900 rounds per minute.
If you were correct about civil liberties not applying to modern technology, Trump would be allowed to censor political opinions on the internet.
Not at all. The Founding Fathers would have been horrified at the way the left wants to violate civil liberties for fun. They would have made extra sure that the Constitution contained provisions to prevent the left from preying on Americans.
Irrelevant.
Civil liberties are what make America a great country to live in.
So you were wrong about AR-15s being made for mass murder.
Police have AR-15s nearly everywhere in America
Yes they are.
It's not even mentioned in the Constitution.
Common sense shows it does.
It often can and does.
Evidence? Proof? Corroboration?
Consumer demand means that some other similar device will be invented and sold to violent members of the gun community
Illogical conclusion.
You have no idea what the Founding Fathers "would have been horrified at" — you're just using them as convenient puppets for conveying your own prejudices.
It's relevant to any discussion about the Founding Father's beliefs with respect to today's.
Only the free exercise of one of those civil liberties involves a citizen's right to terrorize, wound, and kill others with a deadly weapon. We won't miss it when it's amended out of existence.
Conclusion doesn't follow.
Then why don't you see them everywhere in the country?
Gun owners are violent, as a group they are much more violent than normal people.
Just yesterday we had a gun nut that fired five bullets into a car with a family in it during a road rage incident. Another gun nut decides to take the police on a after a car chase shoots one officer before he is killed in a hail of bullets. Another woman was shot in her leg in another incident.
This is just one more day of gun violence. Gun violence is continuing to escalate.
When I was a child the gun nuts just brandished their guns, now they kill people at the slightest provocation. Now the Republicans have changed the law to make murder by gun nut legal. If a gun nut “feels” threatened, he can kill anybody for little or no reason. When the murder rate is 19 times what it is in civilized countries it is guns that are at fault.
n this case we are just talking about the murder rate in America compared to the murder rate in Japan. Suicides are not considered murders.
That vague comment has a name it is called the truth.
Anybody that believes that they have a gun in the house to protect their family is living a lie because the people most likely to die by that gun are the very same family members. The risk to family members is far higher than any imagined criminal activity.
Currently only 30% of Americans own a gun. The demographics of gun ownership show that only 16% of democrats own a gun.
The 900 rounds is the specification given by the manufacturer of the AR-15.
That is the design capability that can be exploited by using accessories like bump stocks.
Using the words arms can only grant a right to what existed at the time. The founding fathers may have been smart, but they were not fortune tellers.
They could not see into the future if they could have the second amendment would have landed on the cutting room floor.
It second amendment is read clearly without the BS from the gun manufacturers it only grants the gun technology that exists at the time.
That is exactly the point people and Japan don’t have guns and that is why America murder rate is 19 times higher than Japan.
The source and the statistic that made it true were listed.
The design capability is 900 rounds per minute all you have to do is get your trigger finger in shape.
That capability is in that gun all it needs is to be modified.
Somebody will have already designed something that is better than the bump stock to take advantage of AR-15 design capability.
You can call it guns or you call it arms it does not change anything. Arms has no future connotation nor does gun.
Courts have already settled this by ruling dangerous and deadly weapons can be banned. If your interpretation were correct the courts could not rule that way.
Just because there had been improvements in the past in guns it does not necessarily follow that there will be improvements in the future. The second amendments can only grant what the definition of arms was at that moment in time any thing in the future was left up to the government or to a new amendment.
For the second amendment to grant the gun technology of the time no other language was necessary but to grant future technology the language would have to be included stating that amendment granted to a right to all future technology.
Only an activist judge could come up with your interpretation.
I will agree that not all gun owners are the same but what is the same, is that each gun owner found it necessary to buy and keep an instrument of death near them. Most of the mass murders purchased their guns legally or got them from a family member.
There are only 5 million NRA members out of 330 million Americans so less than 5% of gun owners belong to the NRA.
NRA membership is not a required field in any mass murder statistic so there is no way of knowing how many murders are committed by NRA members each year.
The crime the NRA is responsible for is colluding with communist operatives to get Trump elected.
Actually, mass murders have been climbing at close to geometric rate.
Source: “Wall Street Journal” a right-wing publication.
Facts? It would be hard for me to document the number of times gun nuts brandished their guns at the time.
If someone is driving to slow in your lane there is a gun nut solution shoot the slow driver’s wife in the head that will get him out of your way.
In this case the murder rate and only the murder rate was compared to Japan’s murder rate. The figures were in murders per 100,000. On the other hand-gun deaths count all the stupid gun nuts that actually shot themselves looking down the barrel of the gun to see if it was loaded. That is exactly the point people and Japan don’t have guns and that is why America murder rate is 19 times higher than Japan.
The statistic put the figure at 30% and getting lower every day.
The design capability is 900 rounds per minute all you have to do is get your trigger finger in shape.
That capability is in that gun all it needs is to be modified.
Somebody will have already designed something that is better than the bump stock to take advantage of AR-15 design capability.
You can call it guns or you call it arms it does not change anything. Arms has no future connotation nor does gun.
Courts have already settled this by ruling dangerous and deadly weapons can be banned.
If your interpretation were correct the courts could not rule that way.
Just because there had been improvements in the past in guns it does not necessarily follow that there will be improvements in the future.
The second amendments can only grant what the definition of arms was at that moment in time any thing in the future was left up to the government or to a new amendment.
For the second amendment to grant the gun technology of the time no other language was necessary but to grant future technology the language would have to be included stating that amendment granted to a right to all future technology. Only an activist judge could come up with your interpretation.
Do you not understand the difference between Japan and Americas murder rate is because of the number of guns in America
and that is not only with Japan but twelve other countries? This is not a contrived study, this is simply a reporting of cold hard facts.
Cherry picked? It is either a murder or it isn’t. It is a simple matter of counting the murders in America and the murders in Japan. There is no possible way to cherry pick that.
We know for a fact that Las Vegas shooter fired 1,000 rounds in 10 minutes and he was changing guns during that time period. The AR-15 still has that design capability.
Murder is also illegal but that never stopped one mass murderer.
Only bump stocks are illegal other modification to make an AR-15 simulate an automatic are not.
Courts have already upheld regulations on guns.
There was an assault weapon ban and the gun manufacturers association did not overturn it they let it expire after 10 years.
The internet is just a delivery system for free speech, just as the paper boy is, or radio waves. The Internet does not alter free speech any more than the paperboy does.
Free speech has not evolved since 1976 whether spoken person to person, printed in a newspaper, broadcast on television, or posted on the internet. Only the method of delivery changed over time.
It is wishful thinking on your part that you can make amendments to the second amendment.
Just as most people purchase a gun to kill people with whether real or imagined.
When you purchase a gun for “protection’ you are hoping you can kill an intruder before he kills you.
the big increase in mass murders can be traced directly back to the birth of the AR-15.
Guns have nothing to do with murder?
We are not talking only about Japan the murder is far higher than any other civilized country.
The design capacity of the AR-15 is 900 rounds a minute
the semi-automatic AR-15 and automatic AR-15 are exactly the same gun only the trigger mechanisms is different
and the semi-automatic can be modified the capability is there.
Most mass murderer’s goal is to kill 50 people or so, they are not going to worry about a gun regulation. That is not a deterrent.
The bump stocks made a semi-automatic fire like an automatic. The real work is using the exhaust to chamber the next round.
Have you heard of wishful thinking? In your case it is wishful reading you are readings things that are not there.
All sort of restrictions on guns have been put in place all across the country and upheld in court.
Gun nuts always site the Heller case as a grand victory, but it is like Custer claiming a great victory at little big horn. This case destroys the gun nut argument that the second amendments entitles them to any gun that was ever invented because the decision makes it extremely clear that access to dangerous and deadly weapons can be regulated. In this decision they won the battle but lost the war.
Your wishful reading has been shot down by many court decisions
The courts decision show beyond any and all doubt that your reading of the second amendment is just wishful reading.
it is but a short step from killing animals to killing people.
Even police are taught to shoot to the center of mass, they shoot to kill.
A shot to incapacitate could end up with the intruder killing them.
If you aim a gun at someone you shoot to kill.
The AR-15 makes mass murder possible.
It is hard to commit mass murder when you have to reload your shot gun each time you fire.
The AR-15 was designed for mass murder
that why it fires so many bullets so quickly.
When you compare other countries where guns are not as easily available to America their murder rate is far lower some near 20 times lower.
The only real difference is the availability of guns.
I don’t think poverty has anything to do with mass murder.
Mass murderers don’t kill people because they are poor, they kill people because they can afford assault weapons.
So, you are saying capitalism causes the much higher murder rate.
The capacity to fire 900 rounds a minute is designed into the AR-15
by changing a few parts it is fully automatic.
It is a simple matter of installing parts the gun is the same only the trigger mechanism is different.
All guns were not designed to kill large numbers of people on a battlefield. This is what the AR-15 was designed to do making it an excellent weapon for mass murder.
The left pushed and passed an assault weapon ban the right and gun manufacturers made sure it was not extended.
Just because the bump stocks are illegal won’t stop a mass murder who wants to kill 50 people. What are they going to do to him the punishment for killing 50 people will be far more severe and they would not bother to even charge him with that violation?
The only way to stop is to ban the AR-15 and other assault weapons.
If your wishful thinking were correct there would be no gun regulations on the books.
If your wishful reading were correct there could be no justification for any gun regulation because there would be an absolute right to own atomic weapons because they are arms also.
Dangerous and deadly is a very good justification.
The supreme court has laid the ground work for future gun regulations.
It is a known fact that serial killers don’t start killing people. They start out killing and torturing animals. Killing is an acquired taste.
Police are taught to shoot to kill. The reasoning behind aiming at the center of mass is that if you are off target you still will do a lot of damage.
Do you think you are going to shoot the gun out of the intruder’s hand?
There are no known mass murderers that killed 58 people before the AR-15 was invented
and all of the mass murders with over 40 victims were done with assault style weapons.
If the AR-15 didn’t load faster than other semi-automatic rifles the army would not have made the M-16 (the military version of the AR-15) the weapon of choice for the military.
When you need to kill a lot of people and kill them quickly the AR-15 is your best bet.
The police are in course of their business are required to kill people. That is not murder.
If this were a fact the mass murderers would not bother to buy AR-15s. They would just buy any old semi-automatic rifle and kill 58 people.
The trouble is the actual mass murders show your argument to be totally bogus.
The mass murderers are the experts and they all agree to kill large number of people quickly you absolutely must have a military assault style weapon.
List the countries that have more guns than America? You can save some time by admitting there aren’t any?
Poverty has nothing at all to do with mass murder.
Assault weapons are expensive and someone living in poverty could never afford one.
If you have 58 people killed in one mass murder that is a lot of people. You will never stop the gun nuts from killing their wives and children when they come home late, but we can make mass murders extremely hard to commit.
We know that most mass murders are made possible by military style assault weapons that were designed to kill large numbers of people quickly
it is a simple matter of banning military weapons.
Mass murders kill because they enjoy killing and arming them with the best military assault style weapons makes absolutely no sense.
Then you must be saying that capitalism causes mass murder because capitalism causes poverty.
I don’t think people commit mass murder because they are poor. Mass murderers represent a large cross section of the economic spectrum.
The AR-15 can fire that fast
it can be modified to fire that fast
and even if it only killed 100 people a minute it is an abomination that should not be on the streets.
All guns might but the military chose the AR-15 platform to wage wars with.
I wonder why the military experts did not choose one of those other guns? Maybe the experts know something.
The right to live without being murdered by a mass murderer far exceeds any other extraneous rights.
But the path of least resistance comes into play. The harder society makes it to commit mass murder the fewer will happen.
There is simply no good reason for military style assault weapons to be on the streets.
It is extremely hard for supreme court decision to be overturned and the Heller decision is the law of the land every bit as much as the second amendment.
Restrictions on atomic weapons can justified just as an assault weapon ban can be justified for exactly the same reasons, they are both dangerous and deadly military weapons.
I don’t know of anything that is more dangerous and deadly than the weapons that killed 58 people and shot 422 others.
The supreme court ruling that dangerous and deadly weapons can be regulated says it all.
Do you know of any guns that are not dangerous and deadly?
Both hunters and serial killers really enjoy killing animals.
Hunting is strictly for the thrill of the kill.
Police are not trained to incapacitate they are trained to shoot to kill.
How are you going to shoot to incapacitate? Aim for an arm or a leg or shoot at the most vital areas.
No mass murderer has managed to kill 58 people with a telephone. Someone might manage to kill a few with a Volkswagen Beetle but nowhere close to 58.
I think there is an argument that pistol grips may make mass murder worse. A rifle held at shoulder height in crowd will have to have a downward trajectory to hit someone in the center of mass. While an assault weapon held at the center of mass height could do far more damage because it would remain at that height.
The manufacturer of the AR-15 was granted a patent because of AR-15 was far superior to any other semi-automatic.
The design and spec of chambering the shells was revolutionary.
No other semi-automatic has come even close to killing as many people in a mass murder as military style assault weapons.
Explain why mass murderers almost exclusively use assault weapons?
There is absolutely no doubt that military style assault weapons are designed for one reason and one reason only mass murder.
There is no other possible reason to design a gun to fire 900 rounds a minute unless you need to kill 900 people a minute.
The police were forced by the gun nuts with assault weapons to arm themselves wit assault weapons. In certain situations, police may be required to kill a number of criminals quickly.
It is the AR-15 or the knock off that are used in mass murders.
It seems no mass murderers take their semi-automatic deer rifle to a mass murder. If the AR-15s were not far more deadly we would see mass murders using shotguns.
If the mass murderers were not experts at what they do they could not murder 58 people at a time.
The one factor that separates us from countries that have much lower murder rates is the number of guns which should surprise no one as guns are just a tool to commit murder.
A murder here or a murder there does not have the impact of 58 killed and 422 shot.
Mass murder is becoming so common that at least three of the people involved were involved in second mass murder in less than one year. In this case if the first mass murderer didn’t get you the second one will.
What mass murder does is substantially increase the chances that members of general public could be murdered that they otherwise would not face.
I don’t believe you could get the box an AK-47 came in for $35 let alone the gun.
Pistol grips make assault weapons more-deadly.
They should ban pistol grips and see if the average number of people killed in a mass murders.
A bullet fired at chest level into a crowd would do far more damage then one fired in a downward trajectory.
Capitalism was designed to create poverty there is no way for it not to do that.
If you are killed or your children are killed it has a severe impact on you. American children are now afraid to go to school because of mass murder is so rampant in America. When I was in school, we had fire drills now they have mass murder drills.
Any AR-15 can be modified to be fully automatic.
Do you think somebody that plans on murdering 50 people would be the least bit bothered by it being illegal to modify his AR-15?
Can you modify your shot gun to be fully automatic?
The number of people killed in mass murders keep getting higher we are up to 58 and if a few of the other 422 people that were shot had died we would have already passed the 100 mark.
If the shooter had been closer to the crowd instead of several floors up in a hotel room, he would have killed far more than 100. If he had fired that thousand rounds with a level trajectory his kill ratio would have been much higher.
It has now been a while since we have had a major mass murder and we are way overdo. Each mass murderer learns from the others’ mistake. The next mass murderer is likely to break the record.
Not according to the US patent office which shows the AR-15 to be light years beyond other guns.
Even the military experts will tell you that torturing suspects will get you only the information that they think you want to hear.
If you don’t want your trees cut down don’t leave your chainsaw laying around.
The courts have ruled that dangerous and deadly is reason enough to ban them.
We had a number of coal mining accidents were several miners were killed but few exceed 58. So those guns are more dangerous than an explosion in a coal mine.
There is no more compelling than dangerous and deadly.
The number of people killed with assault weapons says otherwise.
The bump stock is not the problem with out the AR-15 the bump stock won’t fire one round.
If it kills people by the dozens it would be considered dangerous and deadly.
