The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

You can’t prove that people that purchase chainsaws did so to cut down trees some claim they just like to hear the sound the saws makes. But what we do know is that most did purchase a chainsaw to cut trees down. Just as most people purchase a gun to kill people with whether real or imagined. When you purchase a gun for “protection’ you are hoping you can kill an intruder before he kills you. In your post you were talking about gun owners in general.

I know that you like lies and the right is making a big effort to make sure a good portion of America’s population is not counted just like the right made a big effort to stop minorities from voting.

You like Trump believe the only Americans are those who look like him.

The NRA is a private organization and as such does not have divulge who is a member and no subpoena can be used to get the information.

The fact is that some gun manufacturers automatically buy an NRA membership for anyone that buys their gun. Since most mass murderers buy their gun legally it would be hard for them not to be an NRA member. It is not like the NRA requires members be sane.

Do you think the police would also check if someone belonged to the local country club?

He actually lost the popular election by 10 million votes and his electoral margin was razor thin determined by only a few thousand votes in three states.

So, $50 million could easily determined the election.

Blaming the media is like the twinkie defense, the twinkie gave me a sugar high and that is why I killed them. The media has been some form of media around for a thousand of years but the big increase in mass murders can be traced directly back to the birth of the AR-15.

Guns have nothing to do with murder? Just as a chainsaw has nothing to do with cutting down trees. We are not talking only about Japan the murder is far higher than any other civilized country.

Your 43% is arrived at by say the husband owns the gun, then counting the wife as owning the same gun and then counting the family dog as owning the same gun. The figure is 30% and falling.

The design capacity of the AR-15 is 900 rounds a minute the semi-automatic AR-15 and automatic AR-15 are exactly the same gun only the trigger mechanisms is different and the semi-automatic can be modified the capability is there.

In most jurisdictions, adultery is also illegal. It is in violation of the law only after the fact. Most mass murderer’s goal is to kill 50 people or so, they are not going to worry about a gun regulation. That is not a deterrent.

The bump stocks made a semi-automatic fire like an automatic. The real work is using the exhaust to chamber the next round.

Have you heard of wishful thinking? In your case it is wishful reading you are readings things that are not there.

All sort of restrictions on guns have been put in place all across the country and upheld in court.

Gun nuts always site the Heller case as a grand victory, but it is like Custer claiming a great victory at little big horn. This case destroys the gun nut argument that the second amendments entitles them to any gun that was ever invented because the decision makes it extremely clear that access to dangerous and deadly weapons can be regulated. In this decision they won the battle but lost the war.

Hammers have been around much longer than guns but there is little to no improvement in hammers. A hammer 200 years ago is basically the same today. So there no reason for the founding fathers to believe that guns would be any different.

So there no reason for the founding fathers to believe that guns would be any different.

Your wishful reading has been shot down by many court decisions.

The courts decision show beyond any and all doubt that your reading of the second amendment is just wishful reading.

No one's interested in your regurgitated and unconvincing talking points.

Don't you have a blog for posting this drivel so as not to waste band width here?

The problem is the AR-15 can easily be modified and a law will not stop a mass murderer from achieving his goal.

I think it is a pretty good comparison, a gun is nothing more than a tool that was designed for an intended purpose which in this case is killing people. A chainsaw is also a tool that was designed for an intended purpose and they both make loud noises.

If they were lies, they would not bother you it is the truth that scares you.

The real population of any country is the number of people living in that country.

There are many people that have lived in this country almost their entire life and served in the military, but they don’t have a paper saying they are a citizen.

Trump, the chief importer of illegal aliens in America,

got five deferments to keep from serving in the military.

Trump is far less entitled to be a citizen than many dreamers.

The census is important because it allocates resources such as roads and schools.

There are at least 10 million people without papers. If the country is designed using lies everyone suffers because of red neck right ignorance. The Nazis, the KKK and white nationalist are responsible for pushing this ignorance. You can choose to live in ignorance or face reality.

Mass murders are gun nut crimes and gun nuts are more than likely NRA members. I am sure that mass murderers belong to many organizations, but I have never seen a list of the organizations that a mass murderer belonged to that was published. Since no other organizations that the mass murderers are in are listed there is no reason that the NRA would be given special treatment. What about that son of a gun instructor that was involved in a shooting on a college campus no doubt he was an NRA member? The NRA may be providing his attorney.

Nikolas Cruz the mass murderer that killed 17 in a FL high school was trained to kill people with NRA grants. Cruz was a member of the high school marksmanship team. So, the NRA is doing its parts to train the Future Mass Murderers of America (FMMA).

The electoral college was determined by a few thousand votes in three states that were so close they were recounted without the Russian help he would have lost.

In other words, he could have won those three states by one vote in each state and had the same electoral total. It is a winner take all votes in most states and is not representative of the state population.

The last count I checked the count Clinton had a 10 million lead after California was counted. After all votes were counted Trump still lost by almost 3 million votes with the NRA and the Russian doing everything, they could do to help him.

You forget the Russian put a couple of trillion in of goods and services into the Trump campaign.

You want to kill the messenger.

The military assault weapons are the problem.

There will always be free speech and crimes will always be reported.

The mass murders have been increasing since the AR-15 was invented. A mass murderer killed 13 in 1949. The NRA is now training the future mass murderers of America.

. It says absolutely nothing about citizens.

One tool compared to another is about as fair a comparison as you can get after all they both make loud noises. Sometimes people that have a hard time grasping something in one context find it easier to grasp in another.

The only important fact in this argument is that guns designed to fight wars with are being used to slaughter school children for no good reason. And it has to stop.

Population is defined as the number of people living in a country. It says absolutely nothing about citizens.

The dreamers were small children when they were bought here by their parents. They had no choice in the matter.

This argument was inspired by the communist and Trump. For decades the rich landowners depended on Mexican labor to pick their crops.

Illegal immigration had been going down for 10 years before Trump agitations stirred it up.

At one time it was the blacks that were considered to be the inferior race and the KKK led the panic.

There is no difference what the KKK did to blacks and what Trump is doing to the Hispanics. When you get up and tell the press that the Mexicans are rapists, gang members and murderers that is good old fashion racism. The rich were the one that bought the Mexicans into the country for cheap labor just as Trump is doing now.

We had a public works director that was born in Mexico. His dad was Mexican brain surgeon and his mom was from here. Trump and the red neck right would deny him citizenship because he was born in Mexico if they get their way.

Trump is one of the biggest importers of illegals he uses them like the rich have always used them for cheap labor.

I did not serve in the military. I had a student deferment for a while which I later dropped, and I was eligible for the draft. The Vietnam war was winding down and my number was not pulled.

The only reason Trump is here is the Germans would not let his whore running grandfather back into Germany otherwise Trump would be speaking German today.

While there is a primary purpose there are many secondary purposes for the census that are far more important now than the original purpose.

Who is responsible for the illegals being here? The ungodly greed who paid them next to nothing and got far richer off of cheap labor.

This is a very lucid argument because the vast majority of mass murders are gun nuts first. They have one thing in common they worship at the alter of the gun.

“The alleged Florida Shooter Member of School Rifle Team Given NRA Grant: Report” Source: The Hill The NRA no doubt paid for the ammunition so that the mass murderer could learn the best way to kill.

The electoral college does not represent the popular vote.

It is a winner take all system designed for the 18th century. Some states apportion the electoral votes by the vote total, but most don’t if they all did the electoral vote would reflect the popular vote.

The Russians spent much more time on the internet spreading stories like Hillary running a child molestation ring run out of a bakery in Washington DC.

We know for a fact that Trump was voted in by the undereducated that would believe any and all Russian lies. The ignorant were selectively targeted using Face Book information.

This information was so sophisticated that Russian generals believe that it will replace modern warfare. Russian believe that misinformation can do more harm to America than an atomic bomb. The only person that doesn’t believe that the Russian put Trump in office is Trump and he lied about it. As former military you should be concerned when enemy generals bragging about their attack on America.

“We orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet,” the report says.

As former military you should be concerned when enemy generals bragging about their attack on America.

The EC does not reflect the popular vote it is a winner take all system.

I followed the election in real time as it was happening, but it has been a couple years since I looked for updated vote totals.

You must have forgot all the Nazis and KKK burning torches on a VA college campus. That is the public face of the new Republican party.

They are designed for military operations.

Free speech will endure but using it as a weapon will not be allowed.

As for the rest of this claptrap, I'm done. You've started to repeat the already disproved "facts" you think are correct. Your complete and utter lack of knowledge on guns or current gun laws makes this an exercise in futility.

Then why do you persist?

I think it was the emergence of originalism which led to the argument Zardoz used about muskets. Some years back a historian came out with the contention that the framers were talking specifically about muskets and muzzle-loaders and that the 2nd A was limited to those. Yes, we know that there were breechloading prototypes, air guns, and multi-barreled weapons around at the time — how widely they were in use, I do not know. I think it's safe to say that most of the firearms possessed by the colonists were muzzle-loaders. And some people have combined this belief with originalism and have come to the conclusion that you reject.

Personally, I don't like to rely on arguments which depend on present day people attempting to determine, in depth, the content of people's minds over two hundred years ago. I distrust those who claim to be able to interpret the intentions of the Founding Fathers with no room for ambiguity and just happen to end up with Madison and Jefferson totally agreeing with them. And the more certain they claim to be, the less I trust them.

So maybe you want to know why I don't confront Zardoz on some of his statements? Because I like the musket argument — it draws attention to what I see as a weakness of originalism. Remember, I believe in the "living" constitution. I say that it doesn't matter what the particulars concerning firearms were in 1790. What matters is the status of firearms in our society today. And if we see a problem and can't seem to adequately address it because of Constitution-based objections I say it's time to re-visit the 2nd Amendment and tighten it, clarify it, rewrite or possibly repeal it. And in order to effect that sort of political change we'll need people to discuss the Amendment — and the musket argument should be part of the discussion. It makes people think historically.

The Constitution only means what the courts say it means. It's my hope that the currently conservative Supreme Court gains enough liberal justices at some time to do what needs to be done. When a clear majority of the citizens demand stricter controls on firearms and more pro-control judges are seated we'll begin to see some progress. It doesn't look like it will be in my lifetime but I think it will happen.

I'll be interested in watching how the liberalization of firearms laws in Brazil works out. It should pose a real test of the "armed society = polite society" hypothesis.

I believe in a "living" Constitution. I don't support "strict constructionism" and I'm highly critical of "originalism".

I think it was the emergence of originalism which led to the argument Zardoz used about muskets. Some years back a historian came out with the contention that the framers were talking specifically about muskets and muzzle-loaders and that the 2nd A was limited to those. Yes, we know that there were breechloading prototypes, air guns, and multi-barreled weapons around at the time — how widely they were in use, I do not know. I think it's safe to say that most of the firearms possessed by the colonists were muzzle-loaders. And some people have combined this belief with originalism and have come to the conclusion that you reject.

Personally, I don't like to rely on arguments which depend on present day people attempting to determine, in depth, the content of people's minds over two hundred years ago. I distrust those who claim to be able to interpret the intentions of the Founding Fathers with no room for ambiguity and just happen to end up with Madison and Jefferson totally agreeing with them. And the more certain they claim to be, the less I trust them.

So maybe you want to know why I don't confront Zardoz on some of his statements? Because I like the musket argument — it draws attention to what I see as a weakness of originalism.

Remember, I believe in the "living" constitution. I say that it doesn't matter what the particulars concerning firearms were in 1790. What matters is the status of firearms in our society today. And if we see a problem and can't seem to adequately address it because of Constitution-based objections I say it's time to re-visit the 2nd Amendment and tighten it, clarify it, rewrite or possibly repeal it.

And in order to effect that sort of political change we'll need people to discuss the Amendment — and the musket argument should be part of the discussion. It makes people think historically.

The Constitution only means what the courts say it means.

It's my hope that the currently conservative Supreme Court gains enough liberal justices at some time to do what needs to be done.

When a clear majority of the citizens demand stricter controls on firearms and more pro-control judges are seated we'll begin to see some progress. It doesn't look like it will be in my lifetime but I think it will happen.

Cars could be considered a tool but a far more complex tool. There are more guns in America than registered cars. Cars are used far more but the important difference is for the most part the people killed with cars are killed in accidents while those killed with guns are killed intentionally.

When it comes to a debate the definition of a word is critical and the population is the number of people living in a country. If you can’t agree on simple definitions it is impossible to debate a subject.

Certainly, they are not citizens under current regulations but there is a point when basic human decency kicks in and a path to citizenship should be available.

The US birth rate has fallen to a ten-year low.

Like many older European countries, we will no longer be able to sustain the population without immigration.

Social security will no longer be practical for the next generation.

Most immigrants are maids, like those who work for Trump, or picking crops or other menial jobs.

Those who have high tech are recruited from India or other third world countries because we only graduate a fraction of the engineers that we need because the Republican greed has destroyed our secondary public education system.

Those who have high tech are recruited from India or other third world countries because we only graduate a fraction of the engineers that we need because the Republican greed has destroyed our secondary public education system.

Trump makes headlines in all the third world countries when he complains about illegal immigration and inspires more illegal immigration.

You may have been asleep, but the political parties changed sides on racism in the 60s when the democrats passed civil rights legislation. The racist southern democrats became the new Republican party. LBJ said when the civil rights legislation was passed that the south would be lost for generation and the southern strategy has been the racist wind under the Republican wings for fifty years now.

When it comes to rape and murder 99% of it is done by Americans. Why would Trump surround himself and his family with these people if he believed they were rapist and murderers?

Trump wanted to change that, if someone was born in a foreign country to American parents, they would no longer be an American citizen and he wants to stop chain immigration so they would just have to leave their child in an orphanage.

That is easy to prove Trump gets 70 visas for illegals aliens at just one of his 500 businesses do the math.

The old adage is don’t volunteer. I had a choice between Marshall University and Vietnam Tech and Marshall was much closer to home. I was eligible for the draft, which is more than I can say about Trump, and your number could be number one and you would still have gone winding down or not.

The bravest of this generation went to Canada because they actually had the courage of their convictions.

The others were like cattle being sent to the slaughter to enslave and starve a third world country.

If you read the Trump family biography you would know the truth. Illegal immigration is one thing but when the country you born in refuses to let you back in is another. Of course, Trump’s grandfather was doing what Trump did he was avoiding military service in Germany by coming to America.

The census is like a gun in the respect it can be used for different things.

You can shoot your neighbor, you can shoot your fellow employees, or you could just shoot random people on the highway.

Do mass murderers own guns? There is no doubt about that. Mechanic are referred to as gear heads and gun owners as gun nuts.

The NRA is sponsoring the program provided the money for both the ammunition and the guns. Want to bet where Cruise leaned to shoot and what gun is best for mass murder? That shooting was the result of the easily available assault weapons.

A winner take-all system where one vote determines the award of every electoral vote cannot represent the popular vote.

There is currently a bill pending to do away with the electoral college and elect the president by popular vote.

It is very simple when popular vote goes to one candidate and the electoral college to another it does not represent the popular vote.

The facts are in my favor after election results were thoroughly studied and it has been widely reported that Trump was elected by the under educated.

The most gullible among us were targeted because they would believe anything.

Nobody believed Trump had a chance to win the election not even Trump.

He had already told the media that the system was rigged to cover his loss.

Almost all the polls showed Trump was a sure loser except those polls Trump was paying for and it is now documented that Trump was paying to fix polls.

If the EC reflected the popular vote they would agree, and they don’t.
Trump got elected by the skin of his teeth close to 3 million more people voted against him. Without the Russians Trump would have lost in a landslide.

I am sure there were M-16 which is military designation for the AR-15.

No rule is without an exception and no right can ever be without limits.

There will always be cases where granting one person a right will step on the rights of others and limits will have to be imposed.

A man surely has a right to have sex, but he does not have a right to have sex with your seven-year- old daughter. If your daughter is 18 it is up to her. There will always be limits.