The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

Coldjiont

I know that you will never be able to grasp the fact that the vast majority of Americans don’t want to live in a combat zone and don’t want their children to live in one either. Guns have killed more people in America since 1968 then all of the wars in American history, that is a national disgrace. After each mass murder there has been a call for an assault weapon ban. The gun manufacturers and their army of politicians on the take have been able to block any national gun control legislation. But the spontaneous outcry for gun control has produced some state and local regulations against assault weapons.

You have to remember the Parkland FL school shooting came on the heels of the Pulse Night Club shooting that killed 49 also in FL a little over a year before. This caused an outcry in FL that would become nationwide. These students are not being manipulated in any way they have a real grievances and real solutions. They just need to understand a little about how the political process works in America and how best to spend their precious time.

The vast majority of people do live in the inner cities.

The foundation of the Modern Conservative Movement was laid by people who had been card carrying members of the Communist party, known communist spies, and Russian writers. Conservatives still worship and celebrate Whitaker Chambers birthday in the Whitehouse after Ronald Reagan gave him the highest Civilian honor possible in America, the equivalent to the medal of honor for the military. Whitaker Chambers became famous in the trial of Alger Hiss. Chambers testified that Hiss had been one of his many sources for the material he sent to Soviet Union. Chambers should have been executed for treason instead he helped found the conservative movement.

Ayn Rand wrote the conservative manifesto fresh from Russia. Currently the teachers are pushing back against the Ayn Rand conservative philosophy of destroying public education.

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“You stood here and watched the storm with the greatest pride one can ever feel—because you are able to have summer flowers and half naked women in your house on a night like this, in demonstration in your victory over the storm. And if it weren’t for you most of those here would be left hopeless at the mercy of that wind in the middle of some such plain.

From “Atlas Shrugged” by Aryn Rand
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You should recognize Hitler’s Master Race except the Russian Rand’s master race is much smaller.

To be sure many Americans were involved in communist movement in America in the 1930s and some landed in each political party but only one group of communists formed a political movement that is still damaging America today.

What does that have to do with Democratic run Hell holes trying to run this country?

The length of your posts tells me you like to hear yourself talk.

Coldjoint

Unless I miss my guess, you have lived long enough to remember when America was a good place to live. There was a time when school teachers didn’t have to buy the books and school supplies. There was no need for someone claiming to make America Great Again because that was the great the slogan refers to. There was a time when most men could support their families and most women stayed home to raise their children. It was a world most people couldn’t even imagine today unless they had been there. I had two race cars, a short track and a long track car and I only worked one job. Unions were not public enemy #1 and pay raises of 10% a year were not unusual and pay raises happened every year. My wife did not work until Regan and the conservatives took over and the pay races stopped. A 1% or 2% offer would have been laughed at. CEOs made a few times more than their average employees not 1,000s of time like they do now. Some CEOs are paid half of the company’s earnings. The distribution of wealth was stable and the rich were not getting outrageously wealthy. Health Insurance was provided by the company and not an 80% policy either, it was a 100% and it did not cost the employees. My wife was hospitalized for a week with a caesarean birth and it didn’t cost me a penny. If you had to stay week in the hospital you would owe $10,000 in deductibles and co-pays now and pay thousands for your health insurance.

The philosophy of selfishness (Conservative philosophy) destroyed the standard of living for most Americans and now not only does the wife work but many hold two or three other jobs and do not have the standard of living I did holding down one job. The Democrats controlled all three branches of government during that time period. You tell me how the conservatives improved things.

I am not a twitter twit complex ideas and arguments take more than a sentence. If you want 140 character anwser you need to talk to Trump.

Obama destroyed business. And the standard of living showed it. Capitalism is how we live. Communism is about furthermost thing from it.

All those words are not impressive.

Coldjiont

Obama didn’t destroy anything because the Republican congress blocked everything he tried to do with filibusters. But despite having to fight a kicking and screaming Republican congress throughout 75% of his time in office Obama pulled the country out of the throws of the second Great Depression which economic losses far exceeded the first Great Depression. A Great Depression caused by the Republicans deregulation of the banking industry. The regulations were put in to keep the banks from gambling and were put in place after the first Great Depression. The whole American banking system was within days of total colipase. By the time Obama left office there was one hell of a lot more business that when he took office.
I can tell from your posts that you are programed by the right-wing propaganda media. You have never had an independent thought in your life and you have not read a book that was not fiction.
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Right-wing media techniques are based on Hitler principals of propaganda.
“Once we understand how necessary it is for propaganda to be adjusted to the broad masses, the following rules results:”

“It is a mistake to make propaganda many-sided, like scientific instruction, for instances.”

“The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power for forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harps on these slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many sided, the effects will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely canceled out.”

From “Mein Kampf” by Hitler
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In any other country Obama would have been a national hero from taking a country on the verge of bankruptcy and returning it to prosperity. But for the fact that the “power of the masses for forgetting is enormous,” and non-stop propaganda broadcast continually saying Obama bad, philosophy of selfishness good, Obama would have been a hero not whipping boy. I often listen to read neck right radio and over three-week period you could not tell the difference it was the same talking points everyday harping on the same exact points endlessly.

I know that since the invention TV most people think it is a waste of time to read. You believe as Hitler did “that propaganda (and anything else) must be limited to a very few words.”

You sure are long winded. You still have not answered my first question. The vast majority of American do not live in inner cities(shooting galleries), those are the war zones. Clean those cities up.

Coldjoint

I don’t live in an inner either and if the drug addicts want to shoot each other that’s fine. That not what my posts have been about. The national protests are not about inner-city shootings either. The problem is mass murder with assault weapons. In the inner-city gang members are shooting other gang members and both are involved. These people have a choice don’t join a gang. Occasionally an innocent bystander is shot but that is the exception to the rule. In Las Vegas 59 innocent people were killed and 841 were injured. They weren’t gang members they were not there to kill gang members. In Parkland FL the students were not gang members. In a gang shooting somebody is killed for a reason but in a mass murder, murder is the reason. A mass murderer just wants to see as many people die as he can kill quickly. The line from an old Johnny Cash song comes to mind. “I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.” That is a psychopath’s attitude. I have been in the inner city just after a murder was committed at 1 o’clock in the afternoon I thought a car had fallen on the guy only to find he was shot and ran to hide under the car where he died.

One of WV Republican congressmen is running for Joe Manchin’s senate seat and he is not wrapping himself in the flag but in the gun manufacturers money. He is running commercials filled with guns saying those people in Chicago are trying “to take your guns away.” This low life was a state senator who tried to pass a bill that would make the multi-million-dollar retirement home his dad lived in exempt from property taxes. The multi-million-dollar retirement home refused to pay millions in property taxes but the court ruled against them and then Evan Jenkins tried to change the law for a couple years. He lost that one and he will lose this election.

Deerfield IL. is taking guns.

Coldjiont

Gun control laws are being passed all over the country. Fl passed laws allowing them to take guns away from anybody that is considered dangerous. They are called red flag laws. Ohio has a proposed law that will allow the state to take the guns of dangerous people but this is the gun manufacturers version. If the police or a relative realized that the person was likely to kill people they could go to a judge and plead their case. If the judge decided there in deed might be cause to take the guns away from the dangerous person. The judge would send notice to the dangerous person that a court hearing would be held where their guns could be taken at some future date. Psychopaths are mean not stupid so obviously the psychopaths would just shoot the school up before the date their guns would be taken. After all what choice do they have?

Don’t worry there will always be guns. I hope that they are the only ones that can be justified under the second amendment those that require powder horn and a lead ball. The gun manufacturers now realize they can no longer stop gun control so they hope to have their crooked politician write the new gun control laws and call them commonsense gun control laws. The gun manufacturers are behind the Ohio gun control laws and you can see they are a total and complete joke. Current law allows the state to take the psychopath’s guns after the fact and Ohio new gun control Law would do the same you could take the guns after the mass murder was over. You can tell how bad it is when the NRA suddenly decides to start writing gun control laws.

I am not worried about that. See ya around, I can't wade through this crap any longer.

Coldjiont

You were the one that decided to join the argument about gun control if it didn’t matter why bother to join the argument in the first place? Deerfield, IL has indeed passed a model law to deal with assault weapons. The law passed unanimously and would fine people up to a $1,000 a day for possession of an assault weapons. In our society very, few laws pass unanimously. The gun manufacturers should begin to see the writing on the wall when middle America can agree on banning assault weapons. Banning assault weapons is the only rationally solution to escalating number of mass murders.

Coldjiont, stick to Twitter that is where those who can’t bear to read more than one sentence go.

Slow down, I get it. Bye.

Coldjoint

It seems Deerfield IL is not the only community making gun control laws. On Meet the Press today they did a story about Vermont, considered one of the most unlikely states in the union to ban assault weapons but people are finally getting fed up with the frequent mass murders of innocent school children. The gun manufacturers thought that they owned America, after all they bought and paid for it man times. The Gun manufacturers thought they were absolute dictators but pride goeth before a fall.

Vermont legislature faced with huge demonstrations and over 2,500 crowded the state capitol realized that times are a changing and voted 17 - 14 for one the toughest gun control laws in America. The Republican governor has vowed to sign the law sighting that they managed to stop a planned mass murder at one of their schools shortly after the Parkland FL mass murders. The Vermont law banned high capacity clips. There was a counter protest however it looked like there were four elderly hunters who no doubt contended that thy had to have 30 round clips to be able to hit the target. More gun control laws are in the pipeline in Vermont.

One gun manufacturer upset with Vermont’s new gun control law plans to hand out free 30 round magazines in front of the state capitol to show they cannot be stopped and don’t have to obey any laws. No doubt the school shooters in Vermont will appreciate the gesture and put the 30 round magazines to good use in future school shootings.

The FL shooter used 10 round mags though... beside 30 round magazines are not high capacity, they are standard.

Deerfield IL also wants to take away guns, you know confiscation, which everyone says no one is pushing for.

Baldimo

I am not sure where you got your information but the FL shooter put 10 bullets in just one of the girls if he had only 10 round clips and since none of the doors were locked the rest of the children could have run away while he changed clips. The 30 rounds clips are considered high capacity and have been targeted in every proposed gun control law that I have read about including the new Vermont law. That is why the gun manufacturers are planning on handing out 30 round clips for free in front of the state capital. You don’t need thirty rounds unless you planning to kill thirty people. The source that stated that the Parkland FL shooter used 10 round magazines was one I have never run across before called Politics & Policy there is so much Russian and right-wing propaganda it is impossible to tell if they are made up on the spot. According to that source bigger magazines would not fit into the shooters backpack that aside most mass murders used the 30 round clips including the Las Vegas shooter.

Confiscation is exactly what the gun control movement is all about it does no good to ban the sale of assault weapons while there are eight million assault weapons still on the streets. A ban of assault weapons is a ban of assault weapons no one ever said it was about just banning the sale of assault weapons.

How about every news story that reported on it. Well as long as they were being honest they reported the 10 round mags. It was said that the 30 round mag size wouldn't fit in his backpack, so he used the 10 round. Hence the reason for the mandatory clear plastic backpacks at the school now.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/report-parkland-shooter-did-not-use-high-capacity-magazines/


Who classified 30 round mags as "high capacity"? It would be people who don't know anything about guns. I've been around these types of guns my entire life and I never saw a less than 30 round mag until certain anti-gun groups and politicians said they were high capacity.

I support them handing them out, a Constitutional right has NEVER been based on need.


That is a personal unqualified opinion that is also lie. You and the other anti-gun nuts don't like 3o round mags, that is the only reason you want them banned. As is shown in a majority of the gun deaths in the US, "high capacity magazines" play no role considering a majority of the gun deaths in the US are from suicide, which only requires 1 round.


Do you know why? It didn't fit the anti-gun narrative, that's why almost none of the MSM reported on the magazine size. If he had used 30 round mags, it would have been all over the place. You will notice there is almost zero mention by the MSM or the anti-gunners, why? 10 round magazine, that's why.


The only propaganda is being put out by people like you. Every difference of opinion with you or the MSM is a Russian Bot, it's pathetic really.


30 round mags are not the problem as the FL shooter has shown. Gun stats do not favor the narrative of the 30 round magazine.


Well at least you are honest in your violation of the Constitution, the majority of your ilk are not. Liberty isn't something you believe in, is it?

Baldimo

I read a number of stories about the Parkland FL shooting and none mention anything about 10 round magazines. The link you posted goes to the only article I have read that mentions a 10-round clip and that article is from a questionable source and according to article their source for the 10-round magazine is Lauren Book, a FL state senator. That source is not directly involved in the investigation meaning she has a source and it is likely that source has a source and in fact their may have been a string of sources. When something is not reasonable it is often not true. It is like the childhood game where each child whispers something in the ear of the child next to them by the time it goes around the table the message has become unrecognizable. If you will notice after the shooting that many politicians give inaccurate information when interviewed because their information is only as good as their source.
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You need only one bullet to kill a person. 30 round magazines are high capacity considering you need only one bullet to kill someone. Proposed gun control laws would allow only 6-10 round magazines. If you chose to break the law and hand out heroine, cocaine, or 30 round magazines you need to be prepared to do the time.
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Why do you need thirty bullets if you are not planning a mass murder? You don’t really need to shoot a deer 30 times. While you are right most suicides don’t use 30 round clips the vast majority of mass murderers prefer them for school shootings. Mass murder is the problem that the current gun control movement is trying to solve. The gun control movement can’t solve all the problems at once. All gun deaths take into account all the suicides and husbands that kill their wives and all wives that kill their husband and all of those who had a score to settle with someone. They don’t need 30 rounds to settle a score but mass murders want as many bullets as they can carry because they want to kill the maximum number of people. The FL shooter had 150 rounds and I will bet that was five thirty round clips instead of 15 ten round clips. That is not an unqualified opinion. Experts who have studied the mass murder problem have recommended that any magazine over 6-10 rounds should be banned.

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I read whatever articles that are published about the mass murders and only later glance at the source of the article. I use to spend 8 hours a day listening to red neck right radio because you always encountered the lies there first by the time their lies made the internet they were easily refuted.
How do you tell what is propaganda? It is pretty easy if news organizations were started by people who were in the news business you know they are in business to publish news but if the owners were political operatives who were in the propaganda business their entire careers, like the founders of Fox News, you know beyond a doubt they are doing what they always did spreading propaganda and lies. Not one of the main stream media was found by political operatives.
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Mass murders depend on having more bullets not less and 30 rounds clips are the choice of most mass murders.
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The constitution does not give you the right to weapons of war. Even the Heller decision makes it quite

That is because it doesn't fit the narrative that the media wants to report on, how many stories did you find about the shooter using a 30 round magazine?


By who's standard, the people who want to ban them or the people who make and use them?


Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

The rest of your post is based on the assumption that a 30 round mag was used. You have no proof, I at least provided proof. Find me a story that confirms the 30 round mag issue and we will continue. If you don't find one, then the MSM is pushing the propaganda.