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The 2012 Presidential Election Discussion Thread

 
 
revelette
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 11:13 am
@H2O MAN,
You just ignore facts don't ya and keep just spouting nonsense out of your head.
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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 11:42 am
@H2O MAN,
Rolling Eyes
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 11:53 am
@revelette,
waterboy doesn't understand graphs or numbers. His primary teacher is FOX News, and everything else is way over his ability to comprehend.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 12:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,


Ci has is oblivious to the deception being perpetrated by Obama and his media. Ci's ignorance is his only bliss in life.



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 12:25 pm
@H2O MAN,
From the NYT:
Quote:
By JIM RUTENBERG
Published: January 17, 2012


CHARLESTON, S.C. — South Carolina has the nation’s first female Indian-American governor (a Republican), the highest-ranking African-American in Congress (on the Democratic side) and a rapidly growing population of Latinos, all evidence, longtime political players here say, that the state is shedding its racially charged past.

Editorial: Preaching Division in South Carolina (January 18, 2012)
Charles M. Blow: Newt Gingrich and the Art of Racial Politics (January 17, 2012)


But like the historic slave plantations that draw tourists on the outskirts of town, the legacy of that past has not been totally wiped from the politics of today. And if the general election campaign by Republicans against President Obama, the nation’s first black president, goes on to include a fraught, multilayered discussion about minorities and entitlements, work ethics and what it means to be American, then it will have gotten under way in earnest here this week.

So it was that on Tuesday Newt Gingrich gleefully said his description of Mr. Obama as a “food stamp president” at Monday’s Fox News debate had “struck a chord with the American people”; the White House press secretary asserted that it was “crazy” to say so, and then Mr. Gingrich doubled down — releasing an ad with his debate-night assertion that “more people have been put on food stamps by Barack Obama than any president in American history.”

Mr. Gingrich was clearly making the case that he is the candidate most able to take the fight to Mr. Obama in the fall, but he was also laying bare risks for his party when it comes to invoking arguments perceived to carry racial themes or other value-laden attack lines.

Mr. Gingrich has been engaging in such arguments here and there for the past couple of weeks, as has Rick Santorum, who found himself in the middle of a tortured debate in Iowa several weeks ago over whether he had said he did not want to make “black people’s” lives better “by giving them somebody else’s money.” (He said he misspoke and was misquoted as referring to “black people” when in fact he had meant to say, simply, “people,” but stumbled and also uttered “blah.”) Mitt Romney, who regularly says Mr. Obama wants to create an “entitlement society,” often suggests that the election is about saving “the soul of America.”


Newt seems unawares that more whites receive food stamps than blacks; a fact that will ensure his defeat. The shortage of food for the middle class was created by GW Bush's Great Recession when hundreds of thousands lost their jobs and homes.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 03:11 pm


Ci's blissful ignorance knows no bounds.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 05:26 pm
Obama essentially defers on the issue of the pipeline. Is there anyone here following that closely?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 06:00 pm
@realjohnboy,
I have been following it enough to be dangerous. But not closely enough to know all of the nuances.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 06:34 pm
@realjohnboy,
It's been big in the news in Canada. The National Post, the right wing newpaper of record is disgusted. CBC, which, despite being funded by the government, has done a lot of stories about American citizens who have had their property condemned under right of eminent domain because of the pipeline. The news up here follows the issue closely.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 06:38 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

Obama essentially defers on the issue of the pipeline. Is there anyone here following that closely?


Well, I am, of course. None of this is unexpected...

Cycloptichorn
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 06:50 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
The 1st big problem, I think, came from the state of Nebraska. The pipeline would go straight through the aquifer that provides that state with its water.
What if there were to be a spill?
The oil people responded that the technology would be so sophisticated that the pumping of oil could be stopped immediately.
Should the concerns of Nebraska be ignored?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 06:57 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:

The oil people responded that the technology would be so sophisticated that the pumping of oil could be stopped immediately.


Yeah, where have we heard that before?

What a crock of ****, like they care even a little about such an eventuality

Cycloptichorn
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 07:02 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
The pipeline would go straight through the aquifer that provides that state with its water.


The water is needed to cool the oil. The people of Nebraska should buck up and stop worrying about little things like their drinking water. America needs oil to fuel the most dangerous military on the planet.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jan, 2012 07:10 pm
@realjohnboy,
Land has been condemned right and left when it was in the hands of private individuals, who usually don't, of course, have deep enough pockets to fight Enbridge. That is not the case with the state of Nebraska. People who were facing eminent domain condemnations in Nebraska (several have already occurred in the Dakotas) raised a big public stink until the legislature could not ignore it. I hope they act.

Enbridge already has thousands of miles of pipeline in the United States--and their spill record is not good. Here's an example from the Globe and Mail (Toronto), a story published in 2010. Enbridge also wants to build a pipeline through British Columbia. This story from the Vancouver Sun says that there have been 170 spills from Enbridge subsidiaries in the United States in the last decade.

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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 06:18 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



No, they are really dumb... they are the dumbmasses.
It is possible that the masses are dumb; and much more likely that they are speaking loud and clear, and those with the power, the group you fawn upon, refuse to hear what they say, thinking perhaps like Charles to raise an army agsinst them after he had put them at their ease... There is more division and discontent in this country than can be settled by an election, and more pain than can be soothed with a blood bath... Ultimately, the wealthy live in another world from the rest of us, and they do all they can to keep their unreal world from becoming as real as our own, the world they have created for us to survive in, or not...We must realize that actions speek louder than words, and unless a person is willing to kill for his beliefs and die for them that he or she will not be believed...

It is sad to see this land grind slowly toward civil war because our limited democracy does not give the masses the power to drive their government in the direction they wish it to go... It does not matter what sops the government throws to the masses in the thought of quieting them, and of taking the sting from our worst pains... They are not giving to the people what is their right -which is the contol of their government, and power in their own affairs... They appease the people rather than letting the people govern, and then visit home like Daniels in the Lion's den...The Lions should feast...
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Fido
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 06:24 am
@revelette,
The recovery is not robust??? Capitalism is dying and it is pulling the whole world down the tubes with it... It is never going to recover... We are just going to get sick of it being sick and demanding transfusions of our blood to live another day, and we will come up with something better.... The thing that is keeping us nursing that old drunk of an economy is our investment in it, because we are co-dependent, and because we are demoralized- too demoralized to fight back against injury because if we know anything it is the extent to which we have suffered less by other's suffering more, all around the world... Get a shovel and start digging... The monsters is dead and it has stunk up the place long enough...If it will not die on its own, then hurry it along... We have a new world to make.
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 06:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
Cis;
it does not matter if the whole of the white population is on food stamps in the Carolinas... What matters is that the general grasp on reality in the South has long been slipping, and has always been governed more by what people wanted to believe than what was there in evidence... It can be blamed on the blacks and the democrats that the whites need food stamps... The whites can claim that they are worthy, and that blacks are unworthy of help... More than anything else, they look at help as a crutch, and they suppose blacks to take help as a wooden leg they can never get around without...Ultimately they are hypocrits, but their religion is the religion of hypocracy, and their politics are the politics of hypocracy, and nothing but death will cure them... No one can be both responsible and not guilty, and they see themselves as both...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 12:03 pm
@Fido,
"Politics of hypocrisy" are the three words that describes them best.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jan, 2012 12:12 pm
Perry has dropped out of the race and given his support to Gingrich.
 

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