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@firefly,

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I personally have never known anyone who believed you must kill children in their mother's arms or kill homosexuals. You must hang out in strange circles.

Then you do not follow the bible and it clear words so your religion is not in fact base on the bible.

I would bet you never read the bible as a matter of fact and surely not the old testament.

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@BillRM,

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Then you do not follow the bible and it clear words so your religion is not in fact base on the bible.

I would bet you never read the bible as a matter of fact and surely not the old testament.

I personally know no one who has followed everything in the Bible literally, and my friends and acquaintances have included some very religious people, including an Anglican priest, an orthodox rabbi, and a nun.

I have read both the Old and New Testaments, cover to cover.

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@firefly,

firefly, Is there anything in the bible that allows personal interpretation of god's words?

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@firefly,

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I have read both the Old and New Testaments, cover to cover.

Oh and yet you did not or claim not to know what at first I was talking about concerning the ordering of the killings of homosexuals or children that talk back or infants in the arms of their mothers!!!!!!!

Strange you was somehow able to read the whole bible and miss that along with thousands of other similar examples.

As a young person I can to this day remember my shock that a book that was being held out as a moral guide contain such a large amount of sickness within it.

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@cicerone imposter,

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firefly, Is there anything in the bible that allows personal interpretation of god's words?

All of it allows for personal interpretation.

And people, including theologians, religious scholars, clergy, and lay people, have been interpretating, and debating interpretations, for hundreds and hundreds of years, and will continue to do so.

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@BillRM,

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As a young person I can to this day remember my shock that a book that was being held out as a moral guide contain such a large amount of sickness within it.

I still don't understand your problem with people who find a positive source of support in the Bible. Why does their faith bother you?

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@cicerone imposter,

CI to me firefly and others are on the one hand claiming they are basing their lives on the holy words of god contain in the bible and on the other hands filtering out the great amount of evilness that is in those words.

You will kill this group or that group have little wriggle room and although I am happy that she does not follows those words by not doing so her religion is not base on the bible.

There is no justification not to hold the bible in contempt as a moral guide.

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@firefly,

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I still don't understand your problem with people who find a positive source of support in the Bible. Why does their faith bother you?

The history of the human race with mass killings being done in the name of that book is my problem with that book.

Right now we are in a period where it is not causing mass killings but given history it is only a matter of time before such killings start once more.

A sick book that is not being read by most of it "followers" is still a sick book with the seeds of great evilness within it.

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@BillRM,

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CI to me firefly and others are on the one hand claiming they are basing their lives on the holy words of god contain in the bible and on the other hands filtering out the great amount of evilness that is in those words.

I did not say I based my life on the words of the Bible. Try reading what I actually say and stop looking for a straw-man.

And the extremely religious people I have known well--which, as I said, included an Anglican priest, an orthodox rabbi, and a nun, besides all the other devout lay people of various denominations I have known--never interpreted the Bible as simplistically, literally, or inflexibly as you do. Debates regarding interpretation and meaning are quite vigorous and on-going within most major religious sects.

You don't want to believe in the Bible, just don't believe in it. Others choose to believe in it, and that is their prerogative.

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@BillRM,

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The virgin birth and being the son of god or of a god is a rerun of all reruns story.

In any case rerun or not how in the hell can you grant any belief in such nonsense.

The bible is no more logical or believable then the Egyptian book of the dead or the stories concerning the Greek or Roman gods or any of such nonsense created in the history of the human race.

If you had been born in early Rome I am fairly sure you would not had used your intellect on the subject of religion any more then you do now and would had been going to the temples of the Roman gods.

The Roman gods had to give way to the Christian god, when salvation was offered by only one belief. The Lord allows virgin conception in different animals and plants. What is far-fetched about his making the exception among humans?

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@BillRM,

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The history of the human race with mass killings being done in the name of that book is my problem with that book.

We have mass killings that are based on nationalistic interests. Should we rip up the U.S. Constitution?

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Normally, mass killings are a result of the territorial drive in men, not which god is best.

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@edgarblythe,

Is that considered rape in the case of humans?

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@edgarblythe,

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Normally, mass killings are a result of the territorial drive in men, not which god is best.

Oh that is why the early church wiped out a whole branch of the faith men, women and children over the question of the duel nature of Christ?

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@BillRM,

The overall history, not selected passages, of humans fighting, shows that religion is mostly secondary to the other factors (territorial interests in particular).

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@cicerone imposter,

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Is that considered rape in the case of humans?

I don't know how rape can get into the discussion. Don't understand you, CI.

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@edgarblythe,

Well, if I understand you correctly, you said plants and animals have "non-sexual" birth, and implied there is nothing surprising about human non-sexual birth.

However, humans must carry the pregnancy for nine months - an intrusion into a woman's body.
Does sperm have to enter the woman's body for that pregnancy?

So, I'm asking the question, because I don't see the nonsexual birth of plants and other animals in the same way I do human birth. God certainly did not ask for permission to use her body; is that rape?

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@edgarblythe,

Even giving you that religion is normally used to justify such behaviors and without the tools of religion it would had been hard to talk people into leaving their homes and families to war a thousand miles from home as in the Crusades.

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@firefly,

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Bible as simplistically, literally, or inflexibly as you do. Debates regarding interpretation and meaning are quite vigorous and on-going within most major religious sects.

You will kill homosexuals does not leave any room at all for interpretations my very dishonest friend.

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@BillRM,

Yeah, and all that discrimination against homosexuals by the "religious" folks tell us those bible stories are still being lived by millions of christians. That's enough proof to disregard "interpretation flexibility."

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