Which Atheism is the One True Atheism?

@cicerone imposter,

The devil story did me in at age ten.

The idea that the head angel would or could rebel against an all powerful god and even take half of the total angels in heaven with him seem crazy on it face even for my ten years old brain.

I then assumed for a time that the god story was similar to the Santa Claus story that adults was trying to sell to us kids.

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@BillRM,

The only difference is that Santa Clause actually existed.

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@farmerman,

History of Santa Clause by Wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus

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@edgarblythe,

Religious people tell themselves things like "oh on judgment day you are going to get owned by jesus" because it makes them feel better about believing in a widely accepted Cult, you like being called crazy, so you can boost your 'Elevated' Ego, so you can feel like you are better than whomever it may be, like me.

Why do you think it doesnt make sence for a person to belong to a certain cult to tell them how if you dont donate, you and all of your loved ones will burn forever in a terrible place after you die.
I think its completely reasonable

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@farmerman,

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The only difference is that Santa Clause actually existed.

A Jewish cult leader with the name of Jesus during that period might had been real also or at least to the same degree as Saint Nicholas is to the supernatural Santa Clause.

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@littlek,

Apparently, we're all pikers compared to Bill, who failed to see the light at a much more tender age then the rest of us. However, my lack of faith is much more comprehensive than your lack of faith, or the lack of anyone else here.

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My profound condolences to EB for all the jokers in this thread who are, apparently, taking it seriously.

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I have seen atheists go out and start a car every morning, with all the faith in the world that it will work. This machine that was made by someone, and then stop and go at a busy four way stop, knowing the other guy will let them have their turn. They park at a parking lot for hours at a time, fully expecting their car to be waiting where they left it, ready to take them home. I rest my case, for the nonce.

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That, of course, is an example of the distinction to be made between blind faith and informed expectations.

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@edgarblythe,

edgar, Very good analogies about where faith belongs. Mr. Green

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@edgarblythe,

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I have seen atheists go out and start a car every morning, with all the faith in the world that it will work. This machine that was made by someone, and then stop and go at a busy four way stop, knowing the other guy will let them have their turn. They park at a parking lot for hours at a time, fully expecting their car to be waiting where they left it, ready to take them home. I rest my case, for the nonce.

You got to be kidding me the probability from past events that my car will likely not be stolen during the time it was park or that at any given time that my current car engine will work is also high by the standard of everyday happenings.

Now in my 62 years on the planet, however my car had indeed been stolen once and my cars engines had not started many times.

There is no faith involved in either case unless you call believing in the laws of probabilities an act of faith. When my car was stolen, it did not break any kind of faith in my view of the universe.

In the same manner, the probability of there being your kind of a god is not zero however, it does approach zero to such a degree that for any normal usual it is indeed zero.

Therefore, my car not being stolen park in front of my home on any given night is 99.9999 or so.

The chance of my current car engine not working is roughly 99.99 or so.

The likelihood of a father son holy ghost nonsense having any thing to do with the real universe is roughly .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

The above likelihood has the same odds as the tooth fairy being real or the god Zeus being real.

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@BillRM,

As statistics on "faith" concerning the list provided by edgar goes far beyond any faith in any god or gods. Nothing is perfect in this world; we can only depend on most things working as we expect them from day to day; that's faith.

Some people get killed walking across the street. We try our best to take precautions, but nothing is guaranteed. Millions take airplanes every day, and depend on that airplane to take them safely to their next destination; faith.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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I have seen atheists go out and start a car every morning, with all the faith in the world that it will work. This machine that was made by someone, and then stop and go at a busy four way stop, knowing the other guy will let them have their turn. They park at a parking lot for hours at a time, fully expecting their car to be waiting where they left it, ready to take them home. I rest my case, for the nonce.

You got to be kidding me the probability from past events that my car will likely not be stolen during the time it was park or that at any given time that my current car engine will work is also high by the standard of everyday happenings.

Now in my 62 years on the planet, however my car had indeed been stolen once and my cars engines had not started many times.

There is no faith involved in either case unless you call believing in the laws of probabilities an act of faith. When my car was stolen, it did not break any kind of faith in my view of the universe.

In the same manner, the probability of there being your kind of a god is not zero however, it does approach zero to such a degree that for any normal usual it is indeed zero.

Therefore, my car not being stolen park in front of my home on any given night is 99.9999 or so.

The chance of my current car engine not working is roughly 99.99 or so.

The likelihood of a father son holy ghost nonsense having any thing to do with the real universe is roughly .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

The above likelihood has the same odds as the tooth fairy being real or the god Zeus being real.

The faith of a Christian is about the same as you describe for an atheist and his car. After all, prayers are not answered in the way one wishes them answered. Often it appears they are not answered at all. But, in fact, it is God's way of keeping us honest and self reliant.

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If God helps those who help themselves, does that mean that shoplifters and sneak theives will sit at the rigth hand of God in Heaven?

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

If God helps those who help themselves, does that mean that shoplifters and sneak theives will sit at the rigth hand of God in Heaven?

Two thieves sit at the right hand of the Lord in Heaven. Therefore, it is, in layman's terms (I don't know any other), at the discretion of the Lord.

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@edgarblythe,

Who is more aptly to sit on the right side of god? The one who steals from the poor, or the one who steals from the rich?

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@cicerone imposter,

It is easier for a camel to thread a needle than it is for a rich man to sit at the Lord's throne, CI.

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@edgarblythe,

As indicated earlier, it is at the Lord's discretion. Mysterious are His ways.

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See, you folks tell me that atheists are not divided into sects and yet we get this in the news:

GRAND JUNCTION, Colo. — When the Rev. Mike Burr was told he was being considered named “Person of the Year” by the Western Colorado Atheists and Freethinkers, the group asked if it would be “detrimental” to his church, said Burr, with a chuckle.

He replied, “no,” that he wasn't afraid of any backlash.

“Our congregation is very open,” said Burr, pastor of Koinonia Church in Grand Junction.

“In many ways we (Koinonia and the atheists and freethinkers) share a common ethic — ‘seek the truth and it will set you free.'”

Burr was invited to speak to the group a couple of months ago about the relationship between science and religion.

“I have no difficulty with scientific truth. Truth is truth,” Burr said.

Take the issue of evolution, for example.

“It's a description of the way things happened. It in no way denies the holiness of creation,” Burr said.

Burr has been a pastor for 35 years, most of that time in the Northwest. He came to Grand Junction in 2004 to shepherd Koinonia at 730 25 Road, a congregation aligned with American Baptist Churches of USA and Church of the Brethren.

Koinonia is a Greek word, meaning “fellowship” or “gathering.”

The Atheists and Freethinkers group presented Burr with the Person of the Year award at their monthly meeting Sunday at Mesa Mall's Community Room.

Burr was unanimously chosen for his work with peace and social/environmental justice issues; his leadership in advocating for the poor, disadvantaged and exploited; his advocacy of separation of church and state; his opposition to recent wars waged by the United States; and his opposition to anti-Muslim views and actions.

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@edgarblythe,

Sorry but my "cult" is a "cult' of one and my view of the universe does not depend on the view point of any other atheist even my wife.

Any atheist organizations that exist are not telling it members what they can or can not believe.

So sects or whatever term have little meaning when it come to sane people IE atheists.

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