House of Reps. member Giffords shot in Arizona today

@hawkeye10,

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The reports are that not only are you wrong that this was a flippant pep rally vibe...

Where did I say this was "a flippant pep rally vibe"? I didn't say anything about people being flip.

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if you know anything about people you would know that in these kinds of moments where we face huge setbacks we emotionally deal with our situation either by laughing or by crying.

The people in attendance at the memorial weren't dealing with a "huge setback"--they were dealing with the aftermath of a tragic shooting at a supermarket.

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The folks in Tucson decided on laughing, and I think that you might have a need to piss all over that choice because you are pissed about the immigration thing. Hopefully I am wrong, that you are really not THAT petty.

What the hell are you talking about? I'm "pissed about the immigration thing"??? Excuse, me. I think you need a serious reality check. I've never made any comments about "the immigration thing" --whatever that is. Where are you getting that from?

Nor did I say the people in the audience were laughing.

I don't know what you're responding to, but it certainly doesn't seem to be my last post, or either of the posts I made about last night's memorial service. Your comments make no sense. They aren't connected to anything I said.

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@okie,

I guess you idiots over there in the South think that killings and shootings are 'nothing'. Thank The Force that I live up north!

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@hawkeye10,

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To observers, the crowd was spontaneous.
They cheered when the two trauma surgeons who treated Rep. Gabrielle Giffords entered and were shown on the overhead screen. As the camera would focus on other individuals thrust into the spotlight after the shooting, the crowd went wild, whether it was the first responders, the woman who grabbed the alleged gunman's ammunition or Daniel Hernandez, the intern who helped Giffords at the scene of the shooting.

Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, who drew criticism from some corners for his remarks about Arizona immediately after the shooting, drew particularly loud applause and responded with a wave to the cameras.

Despite the celebrations in the rafters, the mood below where the families of the victims, the president and other officials sat was far more somber.

http://azstarnet.com/news/state-and-regional/article_8e5c697b-fd3a-57fd-87aa-e439526a4f02.html

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@firefly,

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Where did I say this was "a flippant pep rally vibe"? I didn't say anything about people being flip

You did not use the word, I characterized your take into that word, and you most certainly did say that there was a pep rally vibe

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He certainly didn't do anything to encourage a pep rally response, and as he got to the more uplifting portions of his speech, and a motivational focus on the future, the audience enthusiasm became more fitting to the content of his remarks

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Your comments make no sense. They aren't connected to anything I said.

How can anyone be expected to take you seriously with all the lies you tell, with as often as you pull a "Bill Clinton" with language, with all the disrespect you show to people who dont agree with you?

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@hawkeye10,

You are quite right I didn't use the term "flippant"--and your characterization of what you thought I meant is quite inaccurate.

"Pep rally" came into the discussion because I responded to this post by realjohnboy:

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@realjohnboy,
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There is a bit of criticism about the audience, which treated this more as a pep rally rather than a memorial service.
Any thoughts on that?

And where on earth did you come up with this craziness...

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The folks in Tucson decided on laughing, and I think that you might have a need to piss all over that choice because you are pissed about the immigration thing.

I've made comments about "the immigration thing"? What "immigration thing"--and where did I make these alleged comments? Or are you just imagining all of this?

You really are out of touch with reality, Hawkeye. And I'm not kidding. You seriously distort what other people say--to the extent of attributing things to them that they have never said--or even thought. I have absolutely no negative feelings about the people of Tucson, or about anyone who was in that audience last night--for any reason. And I never said the audience was laughing.

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How can anyone be expected to take you seriously with all the lies you tell

Well, at the least, I expect people to be able to understand what I am saying, without imagining I am saying all sorts of other things that, in fact, I never said.
Or attributing feelings to me that are total fabrications.

And I do not lie. That seems to be another distortion on your part. I have no reason to lie.

Quite honestly, this interchange is getting too crazy for me. Your remark about the "immigration thing" is so off the wall I really think you have gone off the deep end. And I am being quite serious about that.

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I couldn't help but notice from the TV footage, the kindness and respect Mr. Daniel Hernandez showed Ms. Gifford as she was carried on the gurney to the waiting ambulance. During the whole time, Mr. Hernandez kept his hand placed gently on top of Ms Gifford's folded hands to comfort and sustain her.

This was a sign of strong compassion and empathy for the victim of this horrible incident.

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@Lash,

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a flip comment that could be construed as a wish for something negative to happen to anyone?

That's a long way from you original position, though.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

Lash wrote:
a flip comment that could be construed as a wish for something negative to happen to anyone?

That's a long way from you original position, though.

It dang sure is. It's the difference between "I hope he gets hit by a ton of falling bricks!" and "Hah! couldn't have happened to a nicer person."

Wishing for someone's death aloud certainly does not equal rejoicing over someone you don't like throwing a gutter ball while bowling.

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@snood,

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It dang sure is. It's the difference between "I hope he gets hit by a ton of falling bricks!" and "Hah! couldn't have happened to a nicer person."

Wishing for someone's death aloud certainly does not equal rejoicing over someone you don't like throwing a gutter ball while bowling.

I see what you're talking about

Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

snood wrote:

It dang sure is. It's the difference between "I hope he gets hit by a ton of falling bricks!" and "Hah! couldn't have happened to a nicer person."

Wishing for someone's death aloud certainly does not equal rejoicing over someone you don't like throwing a gutter ball while bowling.

I see what you're talking about

Death Threats Against Bush at Protests Ignored for Years

No, water boy, you most decidedly do not see it.

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@snood,

No snoodle, I see it just fine - you are the ignorant one.

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@H2O MAN,

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No snoodle, I see it just fine - you are the ignorant one.

In case you hadn't noticed, that was the first time I've directly answered anything you've said for over a year. It's because I've had you on ignore, and just clicked 'read' on these last two posts of yours in the thin hope that you might have anything at all of worth to say. You are more pathetic than ever. Stupid - proudly, defiantly ignorant; an addled idiot tapping out his sickness for all to see. If there is anything redeemable about you, you doubtless will never know it. You are a pestulant pestilence -a waste of time in every way. And now, welcome back to the unseen, unheard, insignificant ignore ranks.

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@spendius,

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Well--buying a gun and a permit is a very easy way of demonstrating what you say it does and does not imply that those who do not buy a gun and a permit are no less independent or willing to defend themselves and their families.

In fact the money they save by not buying a gun helps them to be more independent and useful to their family. They might feel they do not need props of any sort or that they need a gun on the million to one chance that someone will attack them.

There might well be more accidents with a gun than there are events where one is needed for defence.

It must be rather odd going about all day in a perpetual state of readiness.

If people stayed ready to act there would be little need for the law, and since law where it has the greatest practice, in the cities does not prevent crime, but encourages crime, the people there are dependent upon the police and fearful... There are a lot of places in this country where folks have to get their groceries a month at a time because they are so far from civilization... What if they should be unarmed and irresponsible and others could just wander into their lives and abuse or destroy them... There is just too much one size fitzall lawmaking in this country... I wish everyone were armed... I wish every able minded person were forced to be a law unto himself, accountable with his life for any life he might take... I wish people did not put themselves at the mercy of a system of law that produces only more ruthless criminals and a population little able to offer a defense...

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@Fido,

GOOD GOD!!
SOmebody check the skies to see whether pigs are flying about. I actually agree with spendis take on this , and actually get his attempt at sarcasm.

I can imagine Dave, each morning, as he finsishes his ablutions, "locking and loading" all his pistolae. Life does offer more dont it.?

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@snood,

Snoodle, you and your comments are insignificant... why do you stick around?

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@Fido,

Fido-- If everyone was a "law unto himself" why would he be accountable to any other law?

Surely it would be better if nobody was armed unless what is better for a particular industry is better for the generality.

Our police are unarmed except for small specialised units which might be needed in certain exceptional circumstances.

I gather that there are 280 million guns in private hands in the US. Mistrust, suspicion and paranoia are inevitable.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

GOOD GOD!!
SOmebody check the skies to see whether pigs are flying about.
I actually agree with spendis take on this, and actually get his attempt at sarcasm.

I can imagine Dave, each morning, as he finsishes his ablutions,
"locking and loading" all his pistolae. Life does offer more dont it.?

I do not lock nor load pistols @ day.
In the deathless words of John Dillinger:
"2 things that shoud never be trusted
are the word of a district attorney
and an automatic pistol."

Thay jam too much. Tho I own some, mostly
as artifacts of history, I do not rely upon pistols
for security, nor do I load them, except for practice at a gunnery range.

I prefer revolvers. Tho I have some .38s
( 1 or 2 since age 8 ), I choose a .44 special in Stainless Steel Mirror, for personal security.

http://www.proguns.com/images/used-guns/usedguns247-904/278taurus445.jpg

.44s have better STOPPING POWER,
loaded with hollowpointed slugs with W-I-D-E cavities.

David

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It's so nice to see that this tragedy has helped Americans find the common ground that we dislike each other.

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@parados,

SOME of us

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@Ticomaya,

Ticomaya wrote:

plainoldme wrote:
The entire state is full of cowardly, paranoid idiots.

Oh really?

I think its Plain 's position
that a man is supposed to be helpless, defenseless,
for some reason that she has not specified,
and that if one fails to comply with that requirement, then one is a coward.

David

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House of Reps. member Giffords shot in Arizona today

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