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@spendius,

I'm not getting into this "experts say" hoo-ha, but I think most have an idea of what "intellectual discussion" means, even if we don't have a definitive definition of the term.

What is your evidence that women are less capable of engaging in intellectual discussion, if that is indeed what you are claiming?

I have to keep asking since you are often cryptic and evasive with your writing. I do know it's pub time, though.

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@Zetherin,

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I'm not getting into this "experts say" hoo-ha, but I think most have an idea of what "intellectual discussion" means, even if we don't have a definitive definition of the term.

Well Zethi -- most of us having an idea what an "intellectual discussion" means gets us nowhere in terms of knowing what it does mean. I gave you a definite definition of the ideal intellectual discussion. You pretend you're a Martian who reproduces by finding babies under a gooseberry bush. None of that sharp fingernails on the scrotal epidermis drivel. It's an asymptote. A forlorn ambition. But not trying is unphilosophical.

You put yourself, and all the baggage you carry, to one side and look at things as they really are. Without fear or favour. Spades called spades.

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What is your evidence that women are less capable of engaging in intellectual discussion, if that is indeed what you are claiming?

That the definition I have provided, which I don't see how you can dispute, is completely foreign to the feminine nature and rightly so.

I have been reading Joe Lovejoy's biography of Sven Goren Eriksson on and off for a few weeks and there's more philosophy in that than in all your Wittgensteins and Platos put together, multiplied and raised to the power of each other.

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@spendius,

Dear red herring manufacturer,

Were you claiming anything about women or not?

Thanks,

Zethi

PS: Have a great day!

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@Zetherin,

Saying that most of us have an idea what "intellectual discussion" means as an explanation of what intellectual discussion means is the sort of red herring which has been for a swim in concentrated blackberry juice.

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Were you claiming anything about women or not?

I am indeed. That the less like men they are the better. As Henry Miller said more than once--"I don't understand women, I just **** 'em." I could think of an equal opporunities response but I had better not. Ms Greer did it better than I can.

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spendius wrote:

That the less like men they are the better.

So you weren't claiming that women are less capable of engaging in intellectual discussion, just that they shouldn't engage in intellectual discussion? Were you making any sort of claim about their intellect at all?

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Saying that most of us have an idea what "intellectual discussion" means as an explanation of what intellectual discussion means is the sort of red herring which has been for a swim in concentrated blackberry juice.

When did I say that, because most people have an idea of what "intellectual discussion" means, that that is an explanation of what the term means? That wouldn't make any sense. But more importantly, you're focusing too much on this term. Expert study on the term "intellectual discussion" certainly wasn't the issue here, and I'm sure you can understand that.

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@Zetherin,

Zetherin wrote:

And, yeah, there was a lot of good discussion in there, but it appears to be nonexistent now. I'm hoping it's not gone for good and Robert is just transferring the old threads into the group or something.

Threads that were started in the old philforum were moved to the philforum group.

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@Robert Gentel,

Ah, yeah, we finally found them! Thanks Robert!

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@Caroline,

Caroline wrote:

I don't know why I'm giving this weasel a chance to redeem himself, prick.

I think I now understand why you were dropped as a moderator. Sorry, but that is what comes through in many posts. Other posts of yours, however, are more calming.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

That's more like it mark. We'll make a man of you yet. Going around greasing everybody up with tepid buttercup syrup is no good. It gives people a distorted sense of their worth which I don't think is good for them. No pain--no gain is the philosophical idea behind it.

Hi Spendius!

More like what - You? You perceive it to be manly to be rude. I perceive it to be childish. I am not greasing anyone (whatever 'greasing' means?). I happen to like people and wish all of them, you included, the best in life and circumstance.

Tepid buttercup syrup?

It gives people a distorted sense of their worth

You are projecting once more. Why do you apply your own sense of worth as a generalism? Safety in numbers?

No pain - no gain? This is what egotistical body enhancers say.

You are a seemingly intelligent person Spendius, so why would you choose to apply that intellect in such a condescending and judgemental fashion.

You hop between two visible personas, sober, and not sober.
I have a preference for the 'sober' you.

Mark...

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I am indeed. That the less like men they are the better. As Henry Miller said more than once--"I don't understand women, I just **** 'em."

That is nonsense. There's no such thing as an archetypal male or female. Don't base your views on the tired stand-up shtick about women loving shoes and men loving beer.

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@Night Ripper,

Perhaps he is a proponent of gender roles.

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

This is what egotistical body enhancers say.

Many people train themselves to be polite in public, in moderation that can be a good thing. However, it is often mostly concerned with ones self image rather than any real consideration of the other.
You demonstrate this quite well in your general labeling of people in your posts, such as the above quote.
Apparently you feel so good about your polite self that you can just ignore this glaring demonstration of insincerity.

That is something that body builders say, all of them are human beings.
You might have better luck convincing some of us of your sincerity by removing some of the adjectives from your comments.

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@Night Ripper,

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Don't base your views on the tired stand-up shtick about women loving shoes and men loving beer.

I don't. Shoes are only the tip of the iceberg. (pun intended).

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There's no such thing as an archetypal male or female.

Don't base your views on that tired cop-out. No decent writer ever thinks of his female characters in any other way. Basing them on real women turns them into misreported incidents. The best ads are based on striking the archetypal chords.

What are beer adverts based on?

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@mark noble,

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No pain - no gain? This is what egotistical body enhancers say.

You are taking advantage of the exclusion principle there. That body builders use pain narcissistically does not mean the principle of no pain, no gain partakes of the disrepute you are asscociating with pumping iron. The principle applies to all training.

Lets go with Diogenes eh? The "doggies" his followers were called. Never mind tarring the principle with a selected behaviour easy to denigrate. It is a philosophy forum after all.

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You are a seemingly intelligent person Spendius, so why would you choose to apply that intellect in such a condescending and judgemental fashion.

That's nothing but a self-comforting assertion. It excludes the possibility that I am applying scientific facts as best I can. I am willing to be corrected on those with better scientific facts but not with assertions. I have no intention of being condescending or judgmental. Quite the opposite.

What does "not sober" mean? A bit tiddly, merry, pissed, bladdered or comatosed? Sober, as Dean Martin said, is a constant state.

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@Zetherin,

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Perhaps he is a proponent of gender role

There is a vast gulf between being fucked and doing the *******. An almost as vast a one between going around knowing men want to **** you and going around looking for a woman to ****. The negotiation between these polarities is what makes the world interesting.

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@wayne,

wayne wrote:

mark noble wrote:
This is what egotistical body enhancers say.

Many people train themselves to be polite in public, in moderation that can be a good thing. However, it is often mostly concerned with ones self image rather than any real consideration of the other.
You demonstrate this quite well in your general labeling of people in your posts, such as the above quote.
Apparently you feel so good about your polite self that you can just ignore this glaring demonstration of insincerity.

That is something that body builders say, all of them are human beings.
You might have better luck convincing some of us of your sincerity by removing some of the adjectives from your comments.

Good observation. Insincerity abounds and is quite evident in many posts.

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@Intrepid,

He was horrible to a good friend of mine, if you can't take it then don't give it!

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@mark noble,

Hi Mark,
If you don't like what I say then don't respond to my posts, bye.

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@spendius,

Patronizing troll, you're on my ignore list and how dare you insult Khethil for no good reason, trolls are pointless here.

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Mark Noble and Spendius are both on my ignore list, your posts are a waste of my time. Goodbye.

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