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Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 07:04 am
@parados,
Quote:
Do you think landowners should be prevented from using their land in a fashion that might offend someone?


So then you would have no problem with someone putting up big signs next door to you that are from racist, nazi, and other hate groups, as long as they own the land next door to you?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 07:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
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When I managed, my decisions were approved by my boss and the board of directors. I didn't have a bunch of employees running around with cactus up their ass making stupid charges about my decision as an administrator and comptroller.


Sure you did, they just didnt do it to your face.
Employees ALWAYS bitch about management decisions.
revelette
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 07:55 am
@mysteryman,
Quote:
So then you would have no problem with someone putting up big signs next door to you that are from racist, nazi, and other hate groups, as long as they own the land next door to you?


I wouldn't like it, but they would have that right.

Telling how you would compare Muslims wanting to build a Mosque to people having hate signs.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 08:37 am
@revelette,
I dont compare them, I am just curious how far parados is willing to go regarding his statement about property rights.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 08:55 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Quote:
Do you think landowners should be prevented from using their land in a fashion that might offend someone?


So then you would have no problem with someone putting up big signs next door to you that are from racist, nazi, and other hate groups, as long as they own the land next door to you?

Actually, there is a an ordinance against any large signs on the property in my neighborhood. It has nothing to do with who is offended by a particular sign.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 09:03 am
@mysteryman,
mm, You really don't know what I have accomplished during my career. In the majority of cases, I have been responsible for the increase in employee pay and benefits, and saved money for that rainy day fund. Because the company showed fiscal responsibility, they were awarded more contracts. If any of those employees were unhappy, they must be stupid or unawares of what they received in their pay envelopes and benefits. In two of the companies, I started a retirement plan for employees, and health plan at three companies. When I worked as Audit Manager at Florsheim Shoe Company, I was the first one to hire a woman auditor. My annual budgets were accurate to 2%; that gave me clout with my boss and the board of directors.

I helped the owner of one company develop one of his vacant lots, and have rented to Apple Computer ever since then.

mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 10:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
What you have accomplished is irrelevant to what I said.

I dont care what company it is, employees always complain about management.If they arent complaining, then there is something wrong.
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 11:43 am
@mysteryman,
Quote:
Employees ALWAYS bitch about management decisions.


Of course they do. Each position has a different agenda. I remember when I was a supervisor, and I would sometimes get annoyed at some of the decisions made by my director.

When I got her job, I understood the conflict, and why she did what she did.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 11:50 am
@mysteryman,
Yes it is, because you wrote:
Quote:
Sure you did, they just didnt do it to your face.
Employees ALWAYS bitch about management decisions.


You have the habit of using a huge brush to paint everything in a global manner, but when you make a statement about me, I will respond accordingly.

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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 03:40 pm
@mysteryman,
When the zoning doesn't allow it.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 08:21 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
So then you would have no problem with someone putting up big signs next door to you that are from racist, nazi, and other hate groups, as long as they own the land next door to you?

As long as they're prepared for a libel suit.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 10:20 pm
@DrewDad,
mm still doesn't understand US laws.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 05:34 am
I guess not.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:23 pm
The NYT's has an extremely biased pro-american Muslim peice, with lots of victim culture promotion and fear mongering such as

Quote:
They liken their situation to that of other scapegoats in American history: Irish Roman Catholics before the nativist riots in the 1800s, the Japanese before they were put in internment camps during World War II.

Muslims sit in their living rooms, aghast as pundits assert over and over that Islam is not a religion at all but a political cult, that Muslims cannot be good Americans and that mosques are fronts for extremist jihadis. To address what it calls a “growing tide of fear and intolerance,” the Islamic Society of North America plans to convene a summit of Christian, Muslim and Jewish leaders in Washington on Tuesday.

Young American Muslims who are trying to figure out their place and their goals in life are particularly troubled, said Imam Abdullah T. Antepli, the Muslim chaplain at Duke University.

“People are discussing what is the alternative if we don’t belong here,” he said. “There are jokes: When are we moving to Canada, when are we moving to Sydney? Nobody will go anywhere, but there is hopelessness, there is helplessness, there is real grief.”

Mr. Antepli just returned from a trip last month with a rabbi and other American Muslim leaders to Poland and Germany, where they studied the Holocaust and the events that led up to it (the group issued a denunciation of Holocaust denial on its return).

“Some of what people are saying in this mosque controversy is very similar to what German media was saying about Jews in the 1920s and 1930s,” he said. “It’s really scary.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/us/06muslims.html?hp

Pretty much no fact though, nor any admission that none of this would have happened if the Muslims had not decided to put their center where it is offensive to the majority, not any mention from the American Muslims that they denounce terrorism , theocratic governments, and Wahhabism. If American Muslim want to fit in and be accepted they must, at the very least, begin to claim that they believe the right things.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
"Offensive to the majority" is based on total ignorance. To satisfy those offended would be to let the bigots and screwballs run our country. I would really hate to see our country reverse the gains we have made since WWII.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:45 pm
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Mosque building owners nixed $18M offer before taking $4.8M one

By ISABEL VINCENT and MELISSA KLEIN
Last Updated: 11:15 AM, September 5, 2010
Posted: 2:37 AM, September 5, 2010

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/mosque_was_steal_FpzwdRCdb5MdehzkDDWY3H?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=#ixzz0yiWjU3Np


Quote:

Mosque's money men: One shady group
Last Updated: 3:35 AM, September 4, 2010

Posted: 12:43 AM, September 4, 2010



Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/letters/mosque_money_men_one_shady_group_8vuW3tnsPsp5PtYSD7i59H?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=#ixzz0yiXC9e2T


I now no longer have any doubt but that the money behind this project comes ultimately from the promoters of terrorist acts against us. I also expect that these links will be proven by journalists even as our government refuses to take up the issue.

Democrats are going to yet again find themselves on the wrong side of a major ideological skirmish.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 10:09 pm
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This sense of victimization has now reached a point - especially given the consistent rhetoric of groups like the Council on American-Islamic Relations - that many rank-and-file Muslims now genuinely believe that they are a persecuted and oppressed group.

Has there been some ugly anti-Muslim rhetoric, particularly surrounding the Park51 project? Certainly. Are there some abhorrent, though exceedingly rare, acts of violence against Muslim people on the basis of their religion? Yes. Are some Americans ignorant of Islam and concerned about extremists in their midst? Yes.

But is there any consistent pattern of systemic discrimination akin to what other groups have seen at other periods in American history? Absolutely not.

Black Muslim leadership has foisted an ideology of victimization on immigrant Muslims, and it has stuck. Now we see these same leaders, fearing they have outlived their usefulness to the immigrant Muslim establishment, announcing the formation of a "Coalition of African American Muslims" that supports the mosque. It includes anti-Semitic race-baiter Louis Farrakhan and Siraj Wahhaj, who has defended the 1993 WTC bomb plotters and called the FBI and CIA the "real terrorists."

Critics of the Park51 project should see this for what it is: an attempt to conflate all opposition to this particular mosque with blanket hatred of the Muslim religion.

That's a devious tactic, and it must not succeed



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/09/05/2010-09-05_whether_or_not_ground_zero_mosque_is_built_us_muslims_have_access_to_the_america.html?page=1#ixzz0yidLru3N


See today's NYT's piece mentioned above for illustration.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 12:58 am
@hawkeye10,
hawk, You're looking at the wrong issue; it's about equal rights under our laws.

Promoters of terrorists is a dandy description for the Taliban that flew those planes into the WTC, but the Americans who wish to build the community center/mosque had absolutely nothing to do with the terrorist acts.

Americans are now establishing terrorist activities towards these Americans who wish to build a community center/mosque. That you and so many others can't see the hypocrisy of your words and actions takes us back to WWII, when racial bigots blamed AJA's for Pearl Harbor, and our government put us into US prisons - without being charged with any crime. We just "looked" like the enemy.

You "people" are doing the same against our Muslim-Americans. For shame!
parados
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 07:02 am
@hawkeye10,
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This sense of victimization has now reached a point

That is funny when the argument against the mosque is that the victims of 9/11 would be offended by the mosque.

Who is really playing the victim here? It isn't the muslims. It's the bigots pretending they are victims of muslim terrorism.
kickycan
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 08:56 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

The NYT's has an extremely biased pro-american Muslim piece


Funny how you call this article extremely biased for simply coming at it from the perspective of the American Muslims, and then you post two opinion pieces (not even researched articles, just two assholes' opinions) from two of the most conservatively-slanted papers in the whole city to back up your argument.

Yeah, it's the NYTimes article that's biased. Laughing
 

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