Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@hawkeye10,

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What the people have said is that this project should not be done, that those who wish to do it should move it. This is a very reasonable position.

It's reasonable to say people can't do what they want to with their land?
I can understand if the proposed use was going to interfere with the rights of others. But in this case, there is no interference with the rights of others. They want to move it simply because it will "offend" someone. That is not a reasonable position at all. It is a silly position.

Simple question for you hawkeye. Do you think landowners should be prevented from using their land in a fashion that might offend someone?

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@parados,

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Do you think landowners should be prevented from using their land in a fashion that might offend someone

Certainly,this is a very stupid question to ask of a self described socialist....

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@parados,

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It's reasonable to say people can't do what they want to with their land?
I can understand if the proposed use was going to interfere with the rights of others. But in this case, there is no interference with the rights of others. They want to move it simply because it will "offend" someone. That is not a reasonable position at all. It is a silly position.

Simple question for you hawkeye. Do you think landowners should be prevented from using their land in a fashion that might offend someone?

Iraq and Afghanistan came immediately to mind, Parados, then a flood of other countries. Is what is good for the goose also good for the gander?

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@parados,

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Do you think landowners should be prevented from using their land in a fashion that might offend someone?

Planning laws, zoning laws, call them what you will, exist for this purpose, do they not.

And this proposed use has previously passed all its committee scrutiny. It has been granted official permission by the local authorities.

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@McTag,

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And this proposed use has previously passed all its committee scrutiny. It has been granted official permission by the local authorities.

An opportunity missed...However, they do not yet have lined up the public financing that they seek, and so if that can be denied and if also the Arabs and Persians are too embarrassed to finance this thing public opinion can still be valuable in killing the project.

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@McTag,

Precisely! People now want to prevent the building of a community center/mosque on a site that once housed a coat factory. They're all bent out of shape, because people's feelings are hurt - all for nonsensical reasons such as "it's sacred ground."

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@hawkeye10,

hawk wrote:

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...if also the Arabs and Persians are too embarrassed to finance this thing public opinion can still be valuable in killing the project.

From one bull **** followed by another bull ****. Creative thinking seems endless in this debate.

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@cicerone imposter,

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They're all bent out of shape, because people's feelings are hurt - all for nonsensical reasons such as "it's sacred ground."

Still thinking that calling your opponents idiots will win points for your cause I see..And you say you were a successful manager right? Is this how you handled yourself on the job?

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@hawkeye10,

What has my management experience have anything to do with this subject? More imagination on your part?

When I managed, my decisions were approved by my boss and the board of directors. I didn't have a bunch of employees running around with cactus up their ass making stupid charges about my decision as an administrator and comptroller.

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@hawkeye10,

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Still thinking that calling your opponents idiots ...

You're right, Hawk. It was redundant.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Do you think landowners should be prevented from using their land in a fashion that might offend someone
Certainly,this is a very stupid question to ask of a self described socialist....

You can't answer it? Why not? Are the words too large for you to understand?

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@JTT,

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It's reasonable to say people can't do what they want to with their land?
I can understand if the proposed use was going to interfere with the rights of others. But in this case, there is no interference with the rights of others. They want to move it simply because it will "offend" someone. That is not a reasonable position at all. It is a silly position.

Simple question for you hawkeye. Do you think landowners should be prevented from using their land in a fashion that might offend someone?

Iraq and Afghanistan came immediately to mind, Parados, then a flood of other countries. Is what is good for the goose also good for the gander?

huh? Why on earth would that come to your mind? Or did you mean you don't have a mind because you obviously don't know the meaning of "offend".

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@parados,

A wise guy once said, "You can't answer it? Why not? Are the words to[sic] large for you to understand?"

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@McTag,

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Planning laws, zoning laws, call them what you will, exist for this purpose, do they not.

And this proposed use has previously passed all its committee scrutiny. It has been granted official permission by the local authorities.

Yes, those laws exist. But they don't allow for blocking just out offending someone. Zoning isn't done on the basis of who is offended. It requires a legal standard or it will be overturned in court, which has happened often in attempts by cities to prevent strip clubs. First amendment rights trump someone being offended.

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@parados,

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Zoning isn't done on the basis of who is offended.

right, because zoning is done on the basis of predeciding what will be allowed, it is not an after the fact process. There are very strict rules on what can and can not be done with a property, and this is completely decided by what the people want, for whatever reason they want it.

See stories on zoning laws which forbidden big box stores and/or fast food for illustration. See also the newer laws that allow only fast food that is considered "healthy". Offense that has been the basis for outlawing use of property is what ever the people say it is.

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@parados,

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which has happened often in attempts by cities to prevent strip clubs. First amendment rights trump someone being offended.

And those ladies sure can talk!

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@hawkeye10,

hawk, What group are those restrictions against? Are they religious or cultural based? Who's being harmed by those restrictions? Are those restrictions consistent with our Constitution?

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@hawkeye10,

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and this is completely decided by what the people want, for whatever reason they want it.

Just because your brain jerks with spasmodic actions doesn't mean that what pours forth is credible.

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So let me get this right hawk... You're mad because people are giving you a guilt trip? What exactly would you call the pressure being put on a bunch of Muslims that had nothing to do with 9/11?

Perhaps: a guilt trip?

You are such a phoney.

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@cicerone imposter,

CI,
You never did answer my question.

Can you see any reason to ever deny a religious group the right to build their church anywhere they want to?

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