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Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

 
 
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 06:47 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid- Since I am rather new at understanding this issue, what I can offer is simply a preliminary "take" on the subject.

For instance, I come from New York. I have been to Manhattan, and have been besieged by the religious, the anti-abortionists, and the (I don't know what to call them) guys who are convinced that men should be the dominant sex, as well as others too numerous to mention.

As much as I despise their messages, I would never dream of wanting them to stop their proselytizing. They have their message, and as a free nation, they have the right to state their minds. I can simply say, "not interested" and refuse to take their handouts.

As far as the brouhaha at Dearborn, what happened, IMO, was very dangerous. The guys were not IN the Arab festival. They were accosted by policemen, questioned, and their camera and cell phones were taken away.

I think that it is a nicety to give students in schools a selection of halal foods, but have other things available to non-Muslim students. (I can't ever remember N.Y. offering kosher foods, but then again, I don't ever remember Jewish folks threatening jihad if their dietary laws were not observed).

As far as schools not teaching writers like Diderot and Darwin, that is unconscionable.

As a first thought, I think that the answer is very simple. The United States is
obliged to treat each person equally. "Political Correctness" cannot excuse actions by one group of people that would be treated differently if done by another group.


Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 06:53 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:


Yesterday, a friend sent a transcript of a speech by Geert Wilders, a Dutch politician. Being a curious sort, I started "Googling" and discovered Geert Wilders, a name that was heretofore unfamiliar to me.


Gungasnake posted the exact thing in March. He had no replies.
Here


Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 06:59 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:


I think that it is a nicety to give students in schools a selection of halal foods, but have other things available to non-Muslim students. (I can't ever remember N.Y. offering kosher foods, but then again, I don't ever remember Jewish folks threatening jihad if their dietary laws were not observed).




There was a Canada Day event in my city and neighbourhood this year that was billed as a multi cultural event to celebrate Canada's birthday. It was sponsored, in part, by a Baptist Church.

Anyhow, all of the hotdogs were halal. I am open minded, but I did find it rather odd that only halal was offered at a CANADIAN event. I certainly agree with having the option, but I couldn't understand the reason for only halal. There were people of many nationalities and faiths.

I went for the fireworks afterwards only. My beef was not with the Muslim people, it was with the organizers who probably tried to save a few bucks.
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 07:03 am
@Intrepid,
So I am a little behind the times. Laughing
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 07:09 am
@Phoenix32890,
As least you got some replies. Smile
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 07:10 am
@Intrepid,
Quote:
Anyhow, all of the hotdogs were halal. I am open minded, but I did find it rather odd that only halal was offered at a CANADIAN event. I certainly agree with having the option, but I couldn't understand the reason for only halal. There were people of many nationalities and faiths.


Intrepid- Better watch out. You are only strengthening my case. I would have had no problem with this event if there were one booth that served halal. But why is a Canadian event kowtowing to the desires of one particular group? And why THIS group? To reiterate my earlier post, there are plenty of Jews in Canada. Would the city fathers offer only Kosher foods at the event? Of course not.
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 07:14 am
@Intrepid,
Quote:
As least you got some replies. Smile


Intrepid- I think that I created a monster. I never dreamed that my original post would elicit so many replies and so much venom. Shocked

What I find even funnier, is that when I get on the page of this thread, there is an ad for finding single Muslims.
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sumac
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 07:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Interesting observations, Walter.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 07:52 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

Quote:
Anyhow, all of the hotdogs were halal. I am open minded, but I did find it rather odd that only halal was offered at a CANADIAN event. I certainly agree with having the option, but I couldn't understand the reason for only halal. There were people of many nationalities and faiths.


Intrepid- Better watch out. You are only strengthening my case. I would have had no problem with this event if there were one booth that served halal. But why is a Canadian event kowtowing to the desires of one particular group? And why THIS group? To reiterate my earlier post, there are plenty of Jews in Canada. Would the city fathers offer only Kosher foods at the event? Of course not.


Actually, the hotdogs were free. To be honest and frank (no pun intended on frank Smile ) I think they had the halal's left from their last event. (frozen, of course). It would only mean that the Muslim turnout for the last event was not as large as they anticipated.

I don't think Canadian Jews like Kosher foods. They prefer peameal bacon and beer. Wink
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 07:58 am
@Intrepid,
Quote:
They prefer peameal bacon....


What in blazes is peameal bacon????
revelette
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 08:06 am
Quote:
MURFREESBORO, TENN — Federal agents have been called in after someone poured flammable liquid on four pieces of construction equipment early today at the site of a planned new Islamic center and mosque just outside Murfreesboro.

A CBS television affiliate is reporting that it is being investigated as arson.

Carmie Ayash, a spokeswoman for the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, said the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department was contacted around 1:30 a.m. by someone who had seen the fire.

Ayash said the vandalism at the site "takes it to a whole new level." A sign on the property, off Bradyville Pike just southeast of Murfreesboro, has been damaged twice by vandals.

"Everyone in our community no longer feels safe," she said. "To set a fire that could have blown up equipment and, God forbid, spread and caused damage to the neighbors there ... we really feel like this is something that we and the neighbors don't deserve.

The center is planned offer a new place of prayer to replace the office suite that 250 local Muslim families have been using in a nearby office building.

Hundreds of opponents to the new center packed a Rutherford County Commission meeting in mid-June to protest the Murfreesboro mosque. And when supporters of the Murfreesboro mosque held a vigil June 24 at the Rutherford County Courthouse, mosque opponents showed up.






source

Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 08:14 am
@revelette,
Unfortunately, there are nuts and screwballs in every group. I think that what those people did was unconscionable.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 08:15 am
@Phoenix32890,
Phoenix32890 wrote:

Quote:
They prefer peameal bacon....


What in blazes is peameal bacon????


I think you folks refer to it as Canadian Bacon or Back Bacon.
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=215462188865&id=2579f517aa4256e9cbb591f56bc24caa&url=http%3a%2f%2fguiltykitchen.com%2fimages%2fPeameal%2520Bacon%25203.jpg
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 08:21 am
@Intrepid,
Aha, Canadian bacon. I understand.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 09:09 am
@Phoenix32890,
Quote:
Intrepid- Better watch out. You are only strengthening my case. I would have had no problem with this event if there were one booth that served halal. But why is a Canadian event kowtowing to the desires of one particular group? And why THIS group?

Why did you leap to the conclusion they were kowtowing to the group?
Would you think they were kowtowing to a group if they were serving Kosher hot dogs?

I think your leap to how this strengthens your case is your own bias trying to give meaning where there is none.
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 09:13 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

Phoenix32890 wrote:

Quote:
They prefer peameal bacon....


What in blazes is peameal bacon????


I think you folks refer to it as Canadian Bacon or Back Bacon.
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=215462188865&id=2579f517aa4256e9cbb591f56bc24caa&url=http%3a%2f%2fguiltykitchen.com%2fimages%2fPeameal%2520Bacon%25203.jpg
YUM Smile
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 09:37 am
God, I hate being right all the time.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html

Quote:

The Taliban vs. the Mosque

Taliban officials know it’s sacrilegious to hope a mosque will not be built, but that’s exactly what they’re wishing for: the success of the fiery campaign to block the proposed Islamic cultural center and prayer room near the site of the Twin Towers in lower Manhattan. “By preventing this mosque from being built, America is doing us a big favor,” Taliban operative Zabihullah tells NEWSWEEK. (Like many Afghans, he uses a single name.) “It’s providing us with more recruits, donations, and popular support.”

America’s enemies in Afghanistan are delighted by the vehement public opposition to the proposed “Ground Zero mosque.” The backlash against the project has drawn the heaviest e-mail response ever on jihadi Web sites, Zabihullah claims—far bigger even than France’s ban on burqas earlier this year. (That was big, he recalls: “We received many e-mails asking for advice on how Muslims should react to the hijab ban, and how they can punish France.”) This time the target is America itself. “We are getting even more messages of support and solidarity on the mosque issue and questions about how to fight back against this outrage.”


Exactly as predicted.

Cycloptichorn
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 09:52 am
@parados,
Quote:
Anyhow, all of the hotdogs were halal. I am open minded, but I did find it rather odd that only halal was offered at a CANADIAN event. I certainly agree with having the option, but I couldn't understand the reason for only halal. There were people of many nationalities and faiths.


I am quoting Intrepid. I had the perception that all the food was halal. If it were only the hot dogs, I would have no problem with it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 09:53 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Why did you leap to the conclusion they were kowtowing to the group?
Would you think they were kowtowing to a group if they were serving Kosher hot dogs?


Good question. Here, on such days, you find various food by various nationalities (I don't think that it's divided in "religious food" - e.g. Muslims come from various nations as do Orthodox Christians or ...).


And really has been a great "dining adventure" when the various groups grilled/barbecued/cooked dishes/national food from other nations (or religions, if you want that).

And yes, they did kowtow! (Kowtow means "showing deep respect")
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 09:54 am
They probably just wanted one type of hot dogs, and it was easier to get the ones that everyone could eat.

Halal hot dogs taste just like the regular ones... not a big deal.

Cycloptichorn
 

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