Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@Lash,

Lash wrote:

I did see your later post, Thomas - but I wanted to clarify my former opinion - in case your earlier post causes some members to think that I thought Muslims should be disallowed the erection of a mosque on Ground Zero.

... which isn't what they were doing. But I know you know that now.

Lash wrote:

I questioned the motives and sensitivity of those wishing to erect such a building on Ground Zero. As you and Joe so unassailably state - it is a free country--one that makes me secure in my right to ask those questions. (imagine friendly emoticon here)

And I respond, **** sensitivity! When unpopular minorities exercise their rights rather than rolling over, they will inevitably offend someone. That's the offended people's problem, not the unpopular minority's problem.

As a separate point, I don't think much of the distinction you seem to be drawing between "should be disallowed" and "should be disapproved of because of the insensitivity". It doesn't work that way in real life, where there's a continuum from social shunning to bullying to official disallowing. And my reflex is to nip this dynamic in the bud.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

Sure, they are within their rights. It's okay if I interpret their exercise of those rights as a gesture of supreme contempt, right? I don't feel any obligation to crawl up on my belly, piddle on the floor, as say 'Please sir, may I have another'. That's my exercise of a right.

Of course it is. Why is this even a question? Just because I think your opinion sis wrong, that doesn't mean I think you shouldn't have the right to say it. More generally, I don't understand why you, Lash, and Phoenix are making such a point of asserting your right to speak your mind. Nobody has asked that you not speak it. Why are y'all defending your right to speak up against an attack that nobody made?

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@edgarblythe,

You likely both were there then. Wink

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@Phoenix32890,

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I am not quite as assured as you that the threat of terrorism is "statistically insignificant". It is a state of affairs that I certainly would desire, but I am not convinced that we have reached that point.

You whiners are so bloody unbelievable.

For the United States the threat of terrorism is statistically insignificant, even on 9-12 it was statistically insignificant.

For a large number of countries like Cuba, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador and others that are and have been on the receiving end of USA terrorism, the threat is much much much more significant and the damage done by the US to them is much much much more significant.

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@Thomas,

Pssst. Lash changed her mind a while ago... she was just explaining her initial reaction. So did Intrepid. If this thread is any indication; perhaps all this nonsensical hype will prove a positive learning experience for many.

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@Thomas,

You, for one, seem to be put out that there is a different viewpoint than yours. You see a small distinction between disallowing and disapproving? I see all the difference in the world. Your last post to me seemed to speak to your desire to "nip in the bud" all protest about the issue.

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@OCCOM BILL,

Thanks, but he knows. It seems we still have a disagreement.

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@Thomas,

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the anti-Mosque passion comes from correspondents posting from places far from New York.

From some of the very people that would like to see a sinful New York swept into the sea.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

Thanks, but he knows. It seems we still have a disagreement.

We do. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Earlier, Lash wrote:

You, for one, seem to be put out that there is a different viewpoint than yours.

As it happens, I passionately disagree with any viewpoint other than completely free exercise of religion for everyone, everywhere. But I am not put out by those viewpoints. I have acquieced in the reality that people disagree with me---because they're always wrong and I'm always right, of course.

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Why is it called Ground Zero? Shouldn't it be Ground 2800 to reflect the temperature of the molten steel found in the remains of the towers?

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@JTT,

Take that to another thread, please.

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@ossobuco,

Okay, so you don't know, Osso. Maybe someone else can provide an answer.

On a related note, I see one of the tags is "Freedom". Where does this type of arrant stupidity come from. [rhetorical question] Nowhere in the world, save for the US, would such patent nonsense enter a discussion such as this.

Pinch all too many Americans and reflexively, like a parrot, out comes all the little cliches; "freedom of speech", "huddled masses", "democracy", "founding fathers", "liberty", ... .

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@ossobuco,

I might be interested, on another thread, but you are trying to derail this one.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

Why is it called Ground Zero? Shouldn't it be Ground 2800 to reflect the temperature of the molten steel found in the remains of the towers?

Why are you called JTT.. Shouldn't you be called "I'm a conspiracy nut" because of the number of conspiracies you believe in?

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@parados,

I thought it was for Joe The Troll

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you know what the America oughtta do, they oughtta load up some bombers and go build some ground zeroes near some mosques, hell ya, that's what they oughtta do

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@djjd62,

According to that logic we should also go around bombing Catholic churches because the late Timothy McVeigh was Catholic. Not much was made of that fact in the aftermath of the explosion that destroyed the Oklahoma City federal building - and here we have to reason by analogy.

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@High Seas,

while my previous statement was meant to be tongue in cheek

this attack on the catholic church intrigues me, throw in the mormons and i might back you on this proposal

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@djjd62,

The cargo cult people of Micronesia may wish to object - they really take their religion seriously. Couldn't we bomb them instead? Most mosques are located on arid terrain; Micronesia has the most wonderful beaches. Or you can wait - if the global warmers are right Labrador will soon look like this:

http://www.fabulousnature.com/data/media/1/Coastal%20Holiday.jpg

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

...It is abhorrent to me in the same way as ghettos for Jews are abhorrent. ("Brooklyn and the Lower East Side are big places. Why do Jews have to rent apartments on Park Avenue?")

They also live in Yorkville today; once the bastion of German-Americans.

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