Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@OmSigDAVID,

not the point, david. Or even relevant.

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@JTT,

What is unfortunate, JTT, is that your perceptions are always one-sided, and fail to see anything positive. During my last visit to Vietnam, I visited the War Remembrance Museum in Saigon where they have hundreds of pictures of disfigured humans including babies born with them. However, the majority of Vietnamese treat American visitors to their country with respect and understanding; they do not continue to treat Americans as their enemy.

The use of agent orange in Vietnam also affected our own soldier's health. What governments do in the name of war is not always pretty or sane.

I met an American ex-patriot who owns two restaurants in Vietnam; his first wife was Vietnmese while they lived in the US, and his second wife is also Vietnamese. He's from Texas, and is the only restaurant that serves Angus beef, so many of his customers are American ex-patriots.

Let us know if you have anything positive to say about America or Americans. Until then, you are just being a bigot.

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@JTT,

just what MM said, has the US ever engaged in a justified war or were they all criminal actions

i have a thin sole, but i've never been much for cobbling

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@cicerone imposter,

What's unfortunate, CI, is that this ploy is used not only by individuals but by governments to distract from the war crimes? This should be so bloody apparent that it shouldn't even require that it be said.

Count for me the number of Americans who have been held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

It can't be bigotry because there are numerous Americans that I love and hold dear to my heart. It should be readily apparent that this does not extend to those who have committed these evil deeds.

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@JTT,

Well, JTT, this is the first time I've seen any admission of your feelings for Americans that show any form of respect. Let us count the many posts that are negative against Americans vs your positive ones. They speak for themselves - loud and clear.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

there are numerous Americans that I love and hold dear to my heart. It should be readily apparent that this does not extend to those who have committed these evil deeds.

interesting, this part never seems to come across in your posts, my impression of your posts, every american is a soulless supporter of killers for hire, operating in the disguise of an army

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@djjd62,

I just wonder if any of those that JTT claims to hold dear to his heart, ever served in our military.

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@djjd62,

I've seen your impressions. They can easily be defined by one word, vacuity.

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@cicerone imposter,

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The use of agent orange in Vietnam also affected our own soldier's health. What governments do in the name of war is not always pretty or sane.

Quit waffling, CI. It was a crime against humanity.

Not at all odd to you that there has been compensation paid to US soldiers?

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@JTT,

oh you wound me, i may cry Rolling Eyes

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@djjd62,

oh you wound me, i may cry

djjd62 - thank you, i aim for infantile,

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You wound yourself.

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@JTT,

i would but i lost my key Sad

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@djjd62,

You've sure got a lock on infantile, dj.

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@cicerone imposter,

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During my last visit to Vietnam, I visited the War Remembrance Museum in Saigon where they have hundreds of pictures of disfigured humans including babies born with them. However, the majority of Vietnamese treat American visitors to their country with respect and understanding; they do not continue to treat Americans as their enemy.

A truly unbelievable degree of nobility on the part of the Vietnamese, CI.

I hate to burst your bubble but read the following. Zero in if you will on the reason for opening relations with Vietnam. I've underlined it for you to make it easy.

Quote:

US finally ends Vietnam embargo
PATRICK COCKBURN in Washington
Friday, 4 February 1994

WASHINGTON - President Bill Clinton last night announced the formal end of the embargo against Vietnam, 19 years after North Vietnamese troops captured Saigon, writes Patrick Cockburn. The decision comes as a result of Vietnamese government co-operation in finding the remains of 2,200 Americans missing in action (MIAs), and under pressure from US companies wanting to do business in Vietnam.

'Today I am lifting the trade embargo against Vietnam because I am absolutely convinced it offers us the best way to resolve the fate of those who remain missing and about whom we are not sure,' Mr Clinton said at a White House ceremony.

The President has moved cautiously because of fears of reawakening controversy over his opposition to the Vietnam war and his actions in avoiding the draft. But last week the Senate gave him political cover by voting 62-38 to urge him to end the embargo. Some veterans and MIA groups still oppose this on the grounds that US survivors may still be hidden in the Vietnamese jungle.

The US has also forced Vietnam to make immense efforts to find the remains of missing Americans, the cost of each body recovered reportedly being some dollars 1.7m (pounds 1.1m). The State Department says that normalising diplomatic relations with Vietnam is out of the question for the moment. The US introduced trade sanctions against North Vietnam in 1964 and to the whole country in 1975.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-finally-ends-vietnam-embargo-1391770.html

Now consider just how immoral this long embargo was. Consider that it was, directed against the very people that the US supposedly went there to save.

Consider the part in bold, above. Now consider how much has been spent to mitigate the horrendous damages and suffering that the USA heaped upon the people of Vietnam, not only with the war, but with the punishing embargo.

That certainly illustrates just what a charade this whole nonsense about saving/helping the oppressed is.

Somewhere in the neighborhood of three million Vietnamese slaughtered and once again, it's all about the USA.

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@JTT,

It's not waffling; almost all countries (and terrorist orgs) have used weapons of one kind or another that has killed, maimed, or wounded their own.

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@cicerone imposter,

The waffling, CI, is not stating that it was a crime against humanity. The waffling was simply another diversion. It matters not what "almost all countries" have done. When the issue gets around to those, then they should, by all means, be addressed.

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I commend this group, whatever nationality they are.

http://www.miafacts.org/how_many_missing.htm

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@JTT,

But it certain is; what guilty country is going to bring up the charges?

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@JTT,

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make; during the Vietnam war, many Americans voiced their displeasure with this war, and many young men escaped to Canada to escape the draft. There were many demonstrations against this war in the US. What more do you think the citizens of any country can do when their own government doesn't listen to its own people?

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@JTT,

Let's do a little math here.

The US has also forced Vietnam to make immense efforts to find the remains of missing Americans, the cost of each body recovered reportedly being some dollars 1.7m

Now,

http://www.miafacts.org/how_many_missing.htm

suggests that "933 have been 'accounted for' ". Let's knock that down to 900 as some were "returned alive's".

So, 900 x $1.7 million = $1,530,000,000

Seems a preposterously large amount, but let's not dwell on the figure. We can all appreciate that it was a huge chunk of change. Now remember, this was to recover the remains of soldiers who took part in, let's be generous and call it a war.

Now what was the figure that Congress had appropriated to help the millions of Vietnamese suffering from agent orange. Correct me if I'm wrong, but $9,000,000 rings a bell.

Jesus, was it really that miniscule an amount, could that be possible? I must be mistaken.

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