Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@hawkeye10,

I think it was an interesting interview. It's not that long a portion of the podcast.

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@JTT,

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Nearly all terrorist actions in recent history are perpetrated by Muslim extremists. The near silence from moderate Muslims speaks volumes. 'Nuff said.

That is absolute bullshit, CR!

I would hazard that the terrorist actions by the USA outnumber the combined terrorist actions by all other groups on the planet. The only difference, the really sad difference is that the terrorist actions of the USA come from mainstream USA, the elected governments of the USA.

Mainstream USA? No.

If we use the logic that reminds us that terrorism is not a part of being an Muslim, then why should we ignore that and make terrorism a part of being American? Muslims don't need to be bending over backwards with apologies for the acts of a few men, and neither do Americans.

What are you apologizing for?

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@failures art,

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Mainstream USA? No.

You can't get a group more mainstream or that represents the mainstream than an elected federal government, Art.

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@JTT,

This is the same logic used when people try and define all of Islam by the rantings of powerful Mullahs. Joe Islam should not have to apologize for the mullahs actions. Joe Catholic shouldn't have to apologize for the Pope (or priests). Joe America should not have to apologize for the President (even Bush).

Again, what are you apologizing for?

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@Cycloptichorn,

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The funny thing is that the progressive liberals that are now welcoming the Muslims into this country, and very much for mosques from coast to coast, so to speak, may find out that these Muslims are quite socially conservative and do not care for some other concerns of the progressive liberals (i.e., gay marriage). Now, let us open our book and turn to the page where the story begins for the Trojan Horse.

Maybe so, re: Conservative Muslims. But it's their right to be Conservative. It's not right to be against them because they don't share the same politics as me.

That's what supporting equality is about: doing what's right, even when it doesn't benefit you. Otherwise, it's just lip service.

Cycloptichorn

It is really possible that a good percentage of anti-mosque sentiment may not be because, "they don't share the same politics as me," but rather because some folks do not want the culture to change. In other words, it is one thing for some people to hear "Happy Holidays," in some parts, rather than Merry Christmas, or to see "Happy Passover" before the nightly news, but it may be beyond their tipping point, so to speak, to think one day they will have to show deference to a religion that their own religion had real historical wars against (i.e. the reconquest of Spain). The antipathy might be very deep under the surface? The whole country is not made up of secular humanists.

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@cicerone imposter,

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More creative writing to suggest there's a future danger in building mosques in this country. Why not all other religions of the world? Many Catholic Churches have been guilty of child molestation and rape, but we still allow Catholic Churches to be built in the US.

Why do you think that is so?...

Because this country has a Christian heritage from its inception. Not a hard question to answer.

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@failures art,

I'm not suggesting an apology. That doesn't go far enough. Apologies just don't count for much when it comes to mass murder, terrorism, rape and torture.

There's a much greater vested interest in being a citizen than being part of a religion, but even here, I wouldn't find much of value in a person who defended a Pope who covered up illegal actions or a person who defended a priest or Pope or cardinal or bishop who engaged in illegal actions.

Countries like the US tout the rule of law. Citizens, like you, purport to believe in the same. Allowing the degree of abuse that has occurred in the USA of that highly held value is unconscionable, particularly because it has been pointed at far far too many of the innocents of the world with reckless abandon.

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@Foofie,

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Because this country has a Christian heritage from its inception. Not a hard question to answer.

If you've been around a long time, you know, a founding member of the country club, you get a pass on child molestation, rape and other assorted evils.

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@ehBeth,

ehBeth wrote:

Foofie wrote:
may find out that these Muslims are quite socially conservative and BLAH BLAH BLAH

and Jewish women wear wigs

Muslim is not a one-definition-fits-all word.

Orthodox Jewish women wear wigs. The vast majority of Jews in the U.S. are not Orthodox. Probably, 80% of U.S. Jews are not Orthodox.

Please do not change my "quote." Your editing my post with "BLAH BLAH BLAH" is not standard practice. If you need to trivialize my post, please do it by your comments, not by editing my post with your interpretation.

I believe, y0u should keep your comments directed to other posters that are not New Yorkers, and do not have the same vested interest in the demographics of this city as I do.

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@CoastalRat,

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Let us be even more honest and admit that many a white Christian would like the demography of the U.S. to be closer to what it was in 1840, sans the Blacks, Native Americans and the few Jews and Catholics (at that time likely Irish).

Gosh, you need your own show on MSNBC. See how easy it is to spout out a "fact" without anything at all to back up the crap you're saying? I think you really have a future as a journalist Foofie.

Funny you should say that.

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@JTT,

Enough talk already. All you do is talk. Just tell me what you do when your elected leaders don't do as you approve.

How have you brought justice down? Personally. How does JTT do it? Specifically.

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@Foofie,

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Your editing my post with "BLAH BLAH BLAH" is not standard practice.

It certainly encapsulates perfectly much of what you say.

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@CoastalRat,

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Your link is not proof of her statement. Do you not understand what proof is? There are all kinds of hate groups in this country. Their members I'm sure are both Christian, Jewish, Muslim, white, black, etc, etc. Not a lick of which is proof of Foofie's comment. Unless by many Foofie meant a small minority, because then I would unhesitantly agree with Foofie. In which case Foofie needs to be more explicit in her meaning and I will retract my comment.

You should have put "many" in quotation marks (" ") Punctuation counts.

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@talk72000,

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Unfortunately the Fatwa by extremists do affect how loudly one can protest against extremists. The Wahhabis are a danger to Muslim society as well as the Jewish extremists.

Is a "Jewish extremist" a Jew that wants to join a "restricted golf club"?

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@JTT,

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Care to hazard a guess how many Americans were sitting in front of their Tvs rah-rahing the "surgical strikes" of Shock and Awe that put ten to twenty times the numbers of Iraqis in graves as 9/11.

I assume you never had to get drafted into the military (too young). Lucky you.

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@failures art,

You know what you do, Art, you try, you just ******* try and then you keep on trying. You don't stop telling the truth because it seems no one is listening. You don't keep stroking a massive ego that badly needs to be deflated.

If you really have a set of balls, you resign like John Stockwell did, forsaking a cushy job and a great pension. Then you hit the trail telling of these evils that are happening much much too frequently to poor innocents.

Why do you keep pointing this at me, as if I'm inventing all this? I've only being telling that which is being recorded by a small group of HONEST Americans. There's no addressing those issues from you or CR or Ican Or Okie or ... .

There's just inane questions and other diversions, and considering the seriousness, the gravity of these situations, that in itself is really really pathetic.

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@CoastalRat,

CoastalRat wrote:

ehBeth, I need to clarify something. I've not reread my posts, so I'm not 100% sure, but I do not believe I've said there is no condemnation of terrorist acts by moderate Muslims. I agree that there certainly has been some. But I think little of that actually gets reported enough her in the US. Or maybe it does and many Americans just don't hear of it.

I just don't think there is enough condemnation to make up for images of Muslims celebrating terrorist activities that does seem to play on US tv. Hope that makes sense. I apologize for not making it clear that there is a certain amount of outrage from some moderates.

Again, I wish I were wrong and that most people would not judge all Muslims on the actions of some.

It might not just be "the actions of some." My question is what percentage of "peaceful Muslims" give "tacit approval" to the "radical Muslims," since the end result might just be more lebensraum for Islam to inhabit. The Middle East is not really a temperate climate, nor are the economies affording the best of lifestyles for many Muslims.

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@Foofie,

You think that that's an answer to my question, Foofie?

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@JTT,

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Because this country has a Christian heritage from its inception. Not a hard question to answer.

If you've been around a long time, you know, a founding member of the country club, you get a pass on child molestation, rape and other assorted evils.

Specious non-sequitor!

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@Foofie,

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@CoastalRat,
CoastalRat wrote:

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Let us be even more honest and admit that many a white Christian would like the demography of the U.S. to be closer to what it was in 1840, sans the Blacks, Native Americans and the few Jews and Catholics (at that time likely Irish).

Gosh, you need your own show on MSNBC. See how easy it is to spout out a "fact" without anything at all to back up the crap you're saying? I think you really have a future as a journalist Foofie.

Funny you should say that.

Yeah, I like being funny that way. Anything to lighten the mood. Let me know if it worked or not.

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