Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

A lot of the people that are yelling the loudest against this mosque would also say that there should be no more mosques built anywhere in the USA, if you really got them to be honest. They are not against the terrorists, per se. They are against all Muslims. They believe that there is a worldwide religious war going on, and that we are in danger of losing. They are delusional.

Isn't that fear? Born out of what?

Well, in the case of the people I'm talking about, misinformation, I would guess. Also, their own religious beliefs and beliefs about other religions.

This is all being instigated by the conservatives, and they have the audacity to call themselves Americans. They don't even understand what America is all about; they would rather destroy it to win elections.

And where do they get their beliefs about another religion that makes them live in fear of losing a religious battle like you say? Thanks

Yeah, they've decided that there is no need to do any actual public service anymore, just campaign constantly and make sure the other side gets dragged down with you when it all goes to ****. What a sorry state.

You're welcome. I don't want to paint all of these detractors with the same brush, but some of the ones that I'm thinking of are literal-minded Christians, or simply people who have been watching too many Fox News shows and/or listening to too much right wing propaganda. I do believe a lot of these people though get these ideas from their own churches and religious groups. That's my take on it anyway.

I went over to my old friends place to borrow his sand blaster last week.
sat down to be polite, pet the dog and chat a bit.

Glenn Beck was on.

after ten minutes, I had to get up and leave or I was gonna break the TV...

nonsense and lies.

Ok but it's based on nonsense right? So they rule by fear? That's so bad.

They want to speed up the destruction of our country to welcome Armageddon and the second coming. They're creating hell on earth for everybody.

**** and **** em, don't have it.

I agree with that, re the grand scope. But again, this particular thread is about whether some people will be allowed to have a new building on their land, given they already have an ok from the city, and what that means about us U.S. people, and our basic tenets.

There are still a few on the editorial pages of our local newspaper who believes building a mosque is wrong. However, there's an article about a multifaith group in the Los Angeles area that backs the NY mosque. The more than 30 religious leaders representing more than a dozen faiths issued an open letter saying "fear and hysteria over the New York mosque is un-American and based on the distortion of facts," "signed by 71 faith leaders including Jews, Muslims, Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Baptists, Quakers, Mormons, and Sufis."

I wonder how many against this mosque belong to any of these faiths? Maybe it's the conservative faith.

In my own opinion, as a New Yorker, the strongest anti-mosque location sentiment in New York is based on the commiserating with the families of the police and firemen that lost their lives on 9/11. You see, New Yorkers have the highest regard for its police and fireman, and the loss of their lives is taken in a personal way, that might be different than commiserating with the loss of the civilians on 9/11, as sad as that was.

Their was a French film crew, that by chance was filming a documentary in that area about a fire station, on 9/11. They went to the scene, and shot film that became a PBS documentary. This film brought home the sadness of the mission the firefighters were about to face.

So, while youse guys have your opinion, and reside here and there, I think you should understand that native New Yorkers are mostly against the location of the mosque for reasons that transcend any feelings about Muslims. It seems to be based on feelings about the sanctity of the area, for the memory of the first responders. I would not expect non-New Yorkers, or New Yorkers that are transplants from somewhere else, to really feel these feelings. Tomorrow, Sunday, 8/22/10 there will be a rally by the Burlington Coat factory building (where the mosque would now be located) for those that would prefer the mosque be located elsewhere. So, guys, let us see on the nightly news tomorrow, how many people came, and who came.

Don't matter who has the "highest regard," or being a New Yorker doesn't give you license to take away Constitutionally guaranteed rights. You always talk about emotion; we're talking about the US Constitution, and the right of any group to build a church anywhere they please in these United States.

The protesters are not trying to take away anyone's constitutional rights. Here in NYC the comments on talk radio seem to revolve around the thinking that a "religion of peace," that wants to build bridges, would acquiesce to the "feelings" of those that lost loved ones on 9/11. In other words, the mosque would just have another location, not far from the present site.

But, since that does not seem to be amenable, at present, then there are hardened feelings. But, forget the constitutional rights. That is a red-herring at this point in the discussion here in NYC.

But, I do believe New Yorkers have a more vested interest in this mosque, while so many other "voices" are just sticking their two-cents in from afar. These out-of towners need not educate New Yorkers on the constitution. New York, if you remember was in the original 13 colonies. California was part of Spain at that time, I believe. And, who knows, it might become Aztec territory again at some point?

"Bridge of peace" has no substance; it still ignores equal rights under US laws.

Foofie, this whole line of the true New Yorker is crap. Talking about 9/11 is crap. This community center and it's mosque has nothing to do with 9/11. This building does not challenge the "sanctity" of the land (two blocks away).

This isn't about 9/11.

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Not to you, it isn't. Clearly, it is to others.