Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@OmSigDAVID,

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Bloomberg n Obama and most Democrats.

Thay r loyal to the enemies of America.

In the context of thoughtful discussion your conclusion stands out like the utterances of Bozo the clown. I'll not bother to read any more of your posts David.

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@revelette,

Well put. You read my mind.

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@panzade,

Intrepid wrote:

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Some people are afraid of clowns and lawyers.

Just realized. No offence to you, Panzade

Wink

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@Intrepid,

None taken. I'm not a lawyer.

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@talk72000,

talk72000 wrote:

I don't know about all of this but Saudi Arabia may be the source of the funding and they are the original extreme Islamists. The Wahhabis are using Saudi wealth to spread their brand of Islam and it is frightening.

Many countries may feel the same about the USA; that we are spreading our brand of Christianity. Evangelism certainly isn't new, but the American brand of it certainly is distinct. The more this narrative of religious war is fed, the more likely American troops simply become perceived as a Christian army. Even if they aren't Christian, the perception that our actions install a foreign way (a western one) can bred this kind of fear, specifically. This is a bad thing. The USA is very wealthy, and because of that, we have a great deal of mobility when it comes to foreign influence.

If the Saudis wish to spread influence in the USA, they can try. What should not be forgotten is that they don't really benefit from destabilizing us, we buy their oil. The usage of radical Islamic beliefs has been more a weapon used regionally. It's been used less to Westerners, and more against divergent sects of Islam itself. It's more a way to gain regional control, not take over the world. That could change one day, of course.

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@sumac,

sumac wrote:

A very recent AP story:

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Muslims pray daily at Pentagon's 9/11 crash site

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
1 hr 22 mins ago

WASHINGTON – While Americans are bitterly debating the proposed building of a mosque near New York's ground zero, Muslims have been praying for years less than 80 feet from where another hijacked jetliner struck.

Well, this casts a different light on the issue, and certainly puts the entire "ground zero mosque" debate in perspective. Given that Muslim religious services are being held even closer to the site of the Pentagon 9/11 crash than is the proposed mosque to the site of the WTC, our position is clear: we must destroy the Pentagon.

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@revelette,

How have they got what they wanted? Thanks, it's just I don't understand.

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@joefromchicago,

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we must destroy the Pentagon.

Or at least move it.

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@talk72000,

talk72000 wrote:

may be the source

There's a lot of "maybe" and "what if" going on, here.

Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. The way to push your agenda when you have nothing concrete on which to stand.

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@joefromchicago,

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Given that Muslim religious services are being held even closer to the site of the Pentagon 9/11 crash than is the proposed mosque to the site of the WTC, our position is clear: we must destroy the Pentagon.

Don't worry about that Joe. Obama's working on that by cutting the military budget.

Of course the GOP opposes that because it would mean we lower the deficits.

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@joefromchicago,

sumac wrote:

A very recent AP story:

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Muslims pray daily at Pentagon's 9/11 crash site

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
1 hr 22 mins ago

WASHINGTON – While Americans are bitterly debating the proposed building of a mosque near New York's ground zero, Muslims have been praying for years less than 80 feet from where another hijacked jetliner struck.

joefromchicago wrote:

Well, this casts a different light on the issue, and certainly puts the entire "ground zero mosque" debate in perspective. Given that Muslim religious services are being held even closer to the site of the Pentagon 9/11 crash than is the proposed mosque to the site of the
WTC, our position is clear: we must destroy the Pentagon.

The Moslems will help u, Joe.
U gotta admit that thay gave it a shot on 9/11/1.

David

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I'm also amused that the political right, which for ages has been decrying "PC" language and telling people not to get their panties in a twist about feelings is now using "be sensitive to the feelings of the poor, traumatized New Yorkers" as a screen for their bigotry.

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Good point, DrewDad

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As a proud member of the political right(ish), I am all for letting NY deal with this issue. Unless you live in or work in NY, I don't see why anyone else should get their panties in a wad over it. If New Yorkers don't care about this being built so close to the 9/11 site, then let it be built. If they do care, they can threaten their pols with non-support at the next election if something isn't done to stop the mosque from being put there.

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@DrewDad,

DrewDad wrote:

I'm also amused that the political right, which for ages has been decrying "PC" language and telling people not to get their panties in a twist about feelings is now using "be sensitive to the feelings of the poor, traumatized New Yorkers" as a screen for their bigotry.

Look: I don t know anyone FURTHER to the political right than I am.
I voted for Goldwater n Reagan and I woud do it again, with joy.

My argument is not necessarily that we must STOP them,
but simply to RECOGNIZE that the Moslems r giving America the finger, in their triumphant gloat.
IF we CAN stop that within the law and the Constitution (as it applies to restraint of government)
then it woud be nice to stop it; e.g., if Con Ed keeps its realty
and if the Moslems need it for this project; I don't know if such is the case.

In the end, it may be that we r STUCK with this; I dunno,
but we DON 'T HAVE TO ACT AS IF WE LIKE having them show their contemptuous (figurative) strutting and gloating.

We DON 'T have to pretend to be so stupid that we don 't know
that the Moslems are (figuratively) spitting on us.

I suppose that we New Yorkers can give the counter-finger
to the mosque as we walk by or loudly call out our objections
and opinions of the offenders, and picket them.

We might mention Mohammed; I understand that the MOslems r sensitive about him.

David

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i mock and generally take the piss about these things, but i'll repeat what i said earlier in this thread, and i'm totally serious about this, to me the real kick in the teeth to the memory of 9/11 is the fact that coming up on the 10th anniversary, nothing has been done to replace or rebuild what was lost

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@CoastalRat,

CoastalRat wrote:

As a proud member of the political right(ish), I am all for letting NY deal with this issue. Unless you live in or work in NY, I don't see why anyone else should get their panties in a wad over it. If New Yorkers don't care about this being built so close to the 9/11 site, then let it be built. If they do care, they can threaten their pols with non-support at the next election if something isn't done to stop the mosque from being put there.

Well we can 't theaten Mayor Bloomberg, because he is term limited out.

That is the problem with term limits: thay r very anti-democratic.

David

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@djjd62,

djjd62 wrote:

i mock and generally take the piss about these things, but i'll repeat what i said earlier in this thread, and i'm totally serious about this, to me the real kick in the teeth to the memory of 9/11 is the fact that coming up on the 10th anniversary, nothing has been done to replace or rebuild what was lost

I agree that the old World Trade Center shoud have been re-built.
We have ceded to the Moslems the authority
to dictate the shape of NY's skyline.
If the Moslems don 't want us to have a WTC, then we cannot have one.
Its ignominious.

David

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@hawkeye10,

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This entire brouhaha was created by possibly well meaning but certainly amateur Islamic proponents.

This entire brouhaha was created by anti-Muslim wingnuts like Pamela Geller and The New York Post, and it's being ridden for all that it is worth to its ratings by FoxNews.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OSD, You have a funny way to view Muslims; they already had/have places of worship in the WTC area, and there is also a prayer room for Muslims at the pentagon.

I'm sure you're not able to decipher what these things mean, because you are a bigoted SOB .

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