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Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 12:29 am
@failures art,
Quote:

I'm waging a guess here but perhaps where we are used to the distinction between a chapel (like in a hospital, or airport) and a church (like a building), the word mosque might cover both concepts in Islam?


Mosque can be either a place of worship or a house of worship. So, some mosques in NYC might simply occupy already existing buildings, or even use just a portion of a building, like a basement, for prayer services. Wherever people would gather for prayers on a regular basis, with an iman, would be considered a mosque. Then there are houses of worship, specifically built as mosques, like the one on 96th street and 3rd ave in Manhattan, which are more elaborate structures and are built to be oriented toward Mecca.

There are also different sects, or schools of thought, within the Muslim faith (Sunni, Shia, Sufi, etc) . Different mosques might reflect or emphasize the beliefs or attitudes or values or traditions of a particular sect of Islam as conveyed by the preaching of their particular iman.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 12:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
And some people don't want any mosques in NYC or in the US.

What a bunch of dorks.
What 's a dork, C. I. ?

Yeah, if thay were not dorks,
then thay 'd want to have a lot more mosques in NYC or in the US.
High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 03:26 am
@firefly,
Is this Pamela Geller related to another Israeli by the same last name, Uri Geller, the spoon-bending "psychic"?
Quote:
...Geller made a splash in the right-wing blogosphere four years ago by videotaping a denunciation of Palestinian terrorists - while dressed in a bathing suit and frolicking in the surf off Israel.....
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/05/26/2010-05-26_ads_anger_muslims_tea_party_favorite_launches_crusade_against_islamization_of_am.html#ixzz0wwoFVVRf

She has no formal affiliation with either the Republican party or the Tea Party movement. From her blog it appears her only affiliation is with the AIPAC / neocon axis urging the U.S. to "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" - brilliant idea there, what with 2 other wars in Iraq and Afghanistan dragging on:
Quote:
....It has come to this, reporting on the play by play as we catapult towards catastrophe. Israel is our only hope as the post-American president is aiding and abetting a nuclear Iran. Barack Obama is enabling Iran’s Islamic bomb, is inveterately hostile to Israel, and generally appears intent on turning America’s historical enemies into friends and friends into enemies....
NB bold added
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 05:05 am
@firefly,
I really hadn't heard of Pamela Geller before. I checked out some of the info on her and read some of what she has written. The lady is well educated and appears to be intelligent -- but, this woman is nuts!

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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 05:07 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
And some people don't want any mosques in NYC or in the US.

What a bunch of dorks.
What 's a dork, C. I. ?

Yeah, if thay were not dorks,
then thay 'd want to have a lot more mosques in NYC or in the US.



Dork - A dull stupid fatuous person
failures art
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 06:07 am
@Intrepid,
It also means whale penis.

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revelette
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 06:27 am
A few post back someone posted about the Imam of "ground zero Mosque" helping the FBI. This morning I heard on Morning Joe, he also helped the Bush administration along side with Karen Hughes.

Quote:
In February 2006, meanwhile, he took part in a U.S.-Islamic World Forum in Doha, Qatar with Undersecretary of State Karen Hughes, a close adviser to President Bush. Months later, Feisal Abdul Rauf wrote favorably about his meeting with Hughes, noting that he wanted to further the discussion with other members of the administration.




source

If you read the whole article in the link above it has a whole list of counterterrorism efforts the Imam carried out.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 06:47 am
http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20100809.html

Quote:

August 9, 2010

"Proposal for a mosque at site of 9/11 tragedy is nothing short of a 'fitna' or making mischief"

Muslim Canadian Congress urges New York’s Ground-Zero Mosque Imam to abandon project

TORONTO – The Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) is urging the Cordoba House Initiative to abandon its proposed Ground-Zero Mosque in New York in the face of outrage expressed by large segments of the American population calling the proposal an act of 'fitna' or mischief..

panzade
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 06:54 am
@gungasnake,
good eye gunga
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 06:59 am
@gungasnake,
From your link it appears that group (Muslim Canadian Congress) ceased all operations in 2006. Funny it suddenly revived itself just now:
http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/articled.html
panzade
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:00 am
@High Seas,
good eye HS Very Happy
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:09 am
This information was published less than an hour ago in Canada

She spoke out against the Ground Zero mosque, now a Canadian Muslim says she is being threatened.
Raheel Raza, a founding member of the Muslim Canadian Congress, calls the idea of a mosque within 300 metres of Ground Zero in New York "a deliberate provocation."
Last week, Raza joined Maureen Basnicki, a Canadian widow of 9/11 in attending a meeting about the mosque in New York City.
"They were very arrogant. They didn't answer questions," Raza told QMI Agency.
The meeting was hosted by Daisy Khan, the wife of the imam promoting the mosque and Sharif El Gamal, the man whose property firm owns the land the mosque is to be built on.
Raza says she asked questions about who was financing the building, estimated to cost $100 million, and whether any of the money would come from countries other than the U.S.


Link
High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:12 am
@revelette,
That imam and his family have been investigated by everybody and found clean - otherwise they'd never have been able to get anywhere near former President Bush, or even close to Mayor Bloomberg. The only reason for the attacks by Ms Geller & Co. is their refusal to join "the bomber boys":
Quote:
..Bush would sometimes mock those aides and commentators who advocated an attack on Iran, even referring to the conservative columnists Charles Krauthammer and William Kristol as “the bomber boys,”

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/09/the-point-of-no-return/8186/2/
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:17 am
@High Seas,
High Seas wrote:

From your link it appears that group (Muslim Canadian Congress) ceased all operations in 2006. Funny it suddenly revived itself just now:
http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/articled.html


If you had bothered to look beyond the first page, you would have found that there is much more recent information on the site. You would also have found that the group split into separate groups.

You may want to read the info and link I posted above for currect information.
sumac
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:18 am
@revelette,
Saw the same show. He is appearing to be cleaner and cleaner.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:21 am
@Intrepid,
My link isn't to the first page - check the dates and the sorting system before commenting on them. Also check their group's split in 2006.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:29 am
@High Seas,
I already mentioned the split. Not sure why that is relevant.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:30 am
@Intrepid,
Intrepid wrote:

This information was published less than an hour ago in Canada

She spoke out against the Ground Zero mosque, now a Canadian Muslim says she is being threatened.
Raheel Raza, a founding member of the Muslim Canadian Congress, calls the idea of a mosque within 300 metres of Ground Zero in New York "a deliberate provocation."
Last week, Raza joined Maureen Basnicki, a Canadian widow of 9/11 in attending a meeting about the mosque in New York City.
"They were very arrogant. They didn't answer questions," Raza told QMI Agency.
The meeting was hosted by Daisy Khan, the wife of the imam promoting the mosque and Sharif El Gamal, the man whose property firm owns the land the mosque is to be built on.
Raza says she asked questions about who was financing the building, estimated to cost $100 million, and whether any of the money would come from countries other than the U.S.


Link
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panzade
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 07:42 am
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Dear Republican Party:

Your moment is now.

This weekend, President Obama defended the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque two short blocks from Ground Zero, despite cries of insensitivity from some New Yorkers and accusations of mischief from some pundits.

This finally gives you an opportunity to add a powerful national-security cudgel to the message of economic woe you have been pushing as the midterm election approaches.

But please don't do it. There are a handful of good reasons to oppose allowing the Islamic center to be built so close to Ground Zero, particularly the family opposition and the availability of other, less raw locations.

But what is happening now — the misinformation about the center and its supporters; the open declarations of war on Islam on talk radio, the Internet and other forums; the painful divisions propelled by all the overheated rhetoric — is not worth whatever political gain your party might achieve.

It isn't clear how the battle over the proposed center should or will end. But two things are profoundly clear: Republicans have a strong chance to win the midterm elections without picking a fight over President Obama's measured words. And a national political fight conducted on the terms we have seen in the past few days will lead to a chain reaction at home and abroad that will have one winner — the very extreme and violent jihadists we all can claim as our true enemy.

As I said, Republicans, this is your moment. As a famous New Yorker once urged in a very different context: Do the right thing.


http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2010923,00.html
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 08:21 am
With Arab oil money needing a place to be invested, would this modern Islamic mosque/cultural center be a perfect place for a sheik to do his daily prayers, after visiting one of the Wall Street firms to make an investment?

The anti-mosque advocates might be biting our economic face, to spite our economic noses, so to speak, based on what is a concern for the memory of loved ones.

Based on the history of the U.S., we buried our dead in past wars, and continued on with the business of making money in the global market. Therefore, the benefits of a Wall Street mosque (maybe we should stop calling it a Ground Zero mosque, since all of Wall Street had to deal with 9/11) may outweigh the strong feelings of the anti-mosque advocates, in some people's opinion? I would hate to think a sheik ultimately makes his investments in London, because the Brits could become more accommodating.
 

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