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Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

 
 
saab
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 07:53 am
@hamburgboy,
As compared to the solar calendar, the dates of Ramadan vary, moving backwards about eleven days each year depending on the moon.
Just like the Christian Easter is a moveable feast, meaning it is not fixed in relation to the civil calendar. The First Council of Nicaea established the date of Easter as the first Sunday after the full moon
I know that the end of Ramadan is very important.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 08:54 am
@saab,
saab wrote:

I was the one asking the question.
I read it yesterday I do not have a link as I canĀ“t remember what newspaper I read it in....I was just asking if or if not it is correct.

Your dates are definitely wrong. No building permit has been issued yet, so there can be no start date.

And since demolition of existing structure / construction of a multi-story building in a crowded downtown location (involving supporting struts for adjacent buildings, pedestrian passageways, etc) invariably takes longer than one year the completion date is bogus as well.
saab
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 08:56 am
@High Seas,
Thanks - that answers my question and the doubt it was correct
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 09:01 am
@hamburgboy,
That's true, though they haven't exactly formed a consensus on what the date might actually be for each year. Since they haven't lined up the funding, I'm inclined to believe the story is so much baloney. They might well have the money this time next year.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 09:15 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
If thats true, I do agree. SOme Muslim PR guy needs to get a "duuuuh" check.
Not if he 's throwing salt in the wounds, for laffs n jollies !

Even just discussing those dates, among themselves,
woud give them great hilarity and anti-American political mirth.

Good for the chuckles !





David
Intrepid
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 09:35 am
@Intrepid,
Re: Ramadan dates. I posted this a few pages back

Intrepid wrote:

It is rather strange and unfortunate. This is the first time that has happened since long before 2001 and it will not occur on that date in the next few years.

It seems that Ramadan and Eid al-Fitr do not follow a set date. The dates for the next 5 days (start of Ramadan) are:
2010 August 11, 2011 August 1, 2012 July 20, 2013 July 9, 2014 June 28, 2015 June 18.

This situation gets stranger and stranger. Regardless, they are within their rights to move forward.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 09:36 am
@OmSigDAVID,
But the only people discussing those dates David are the people that oppose the building.

Do you think they are doing that for "chuckles"?
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 09:38 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Kinda like how discussing making all airline seats out of pigskin gives a certain segment of the population their jollies.

Who cares?
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 09:48 am
@DrewDad,
Has anyone mentioned the ironic story that the Museum of Tolerance Can't Tolerate "Ground Zero" Mosque:

Quote:
The Museum of Tolerance opened in Manhattan this week, on a mission to help the world transcend discrimination and prejudice. Great timing, because there's been a lot of that lately, with angry opponents to the proposed Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero deriding the project as a "house of evil" where terrorists will "worship their monkey-god." Thankfully, the Museum of Tolerance is here to advocate for acceptance join the opposition.
...

http://gothamist.com/2010/08/06/museum_of_tolerance_cant_tolerate_g.php
Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 09:59 am
for god's sake some of you are absolutely sickening in your hatreds.

I live here in New York close enough to where the WTC was once stood. In the closet now hangs a jacket bought at the Burlington Coat Factory on Park Place where the Mosque soon should be.

An arguing on reason is that parts of a plane and maybe body parts too landed on the roof of that building. Then tell me where can a mosque be built? Throughout the city clouds of ash were spread and in that smoke and ash sat tiny remnants of those killed. None of the city will be able to have a mosque by the twisted logic.

An arguing says it too close is to the site of the former WTC. Men and women walked miles from there that day covered in white ash is any space in the city not connected? The towers tall ones 1 and 2 WTC were visible from many places. A mosque anywhere that a WTC tower could have been seen from might be seen as an afront to the horrors of 11th September 2001. No a mosque cannot be built anywhere in the city if a view of the towers could made have been from there.

Let me ask this if a man of Jewish faith got in a plane and crashed and killed hundreds thousands even claiming it was for Abraham and he had a following loyal of thousands would all synagogues then be disallowed at that place?

A lunatic of hatred is bin laden and al quaida and mistake not that they adore the hatred showing now from Americans since shows it does the true nature of what this land is. It solidifies their claim that the U.S. is anti-Muslim anti-Islam.

Is the building there insensitive yes. Inappropriate no. Freedom of religion to practice a belief is what the U.S. claims pride to having but no not when it's a group we have decided all are evil.

Through the centuries the U.S. has shown what it is. Hating of Jews, hating of Irish, hating of gays, hating of blacks, hating of Japanese, hating of hispanics, hating of anything other than the standardized set by bigots and fools. We placed those deemed not fit physically or mentally in insttutions and hid them away from sight.

The U.S. is no better than Germany at the height of Nazi attrocities where with so many were slaughtered including many of my own heritage. From my grandfather on the maternal siding came forward only a handful all others DEAD as they were killed both in the once proud city of Lemberg then Lwow now Lviv or and in camps far from their home. From logic having given here by many I must detest and protest any place which plans to sell a German product any of sort because one mad German rallied people together and created a furror and hatred fever. Not all Germans felt that way should they be punished too? The thinking here offered is that one man leading a group of people acting in the name of a religion must all be shunned.

I was once mugged by a black man should I hate all black men? A Puerto Rican man pushed me down a flight of stairs once now must I hate all Puerto Ricans and protest their business or storefront church?

In manhattaN the excuse becomes the sacred grounds near the WTC on nearest by Staten Island reasons poured forth of how the Muslims could not have a former Catholic site. Reasons as demented as there wou;d be too many people coming in to the community. google and here http://gothamist.com/2010/07/22/staten_island_mosque_voted_down.php
Comments included 'parking' problems and a very honest
"We just want to leave our neighborhood the way it is-Christian, Catholic."

So much for the U.S. being welcoming of all.


Keep your divine self-righteous hatred and suffer the death of from yourself as you eaten are from within.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:05 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis, Excellent post; one of the best on this thread.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:06 am
@tsarstepan,
er, that's a slight misquote in that the "advocate for acceptance" didn't have the line through it. (I don't know how to do that line through thing myself). But, your bolding gives the right point, amazing as it is.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:12 am
@Sturgis,
Good to see you back, Sturgis, with a strong post. I agree with you.
I understand how others have the reaction they do, while I disagree with them.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:18 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

for god's sake some of you are absolutely sickening in your hatreds.

Can you not be a dismissive jerk with the all encompassing YOU next time you make a ranting post?!

http://i37.tinypic.com/5uomcm.jpg

And perhaps swing your two handed broad sword with a little bit more accuracy and a tad bit of disciplined wording of your post next time. Not everyone here is against the glorified Islamic version of the YMCA. I actually am looking forward to its opening and hope its has an events calendar filled with a wide variety of cheap arts and cultural and concert events that will be constantly featured in the Time Out NY and New York Magazines.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:20 am
@tsarstepan,
How in the world did you mistake Sturgis' post to include you? Please show us where he accused you?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:21 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
But the only people discussing those dates David are the people that oppose the building.

Do you think they are doing that for "chuckles"?
O, u know what everyone else is not discussing, parados ??

U r listening to them all and u understand how to speak Moslem ?





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:24 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
Kinda like how discussing making all airline seats out of pigskin
gives a certain segment of the population their jollies.
That 's for REAL; its a good defensive tactic.
It works. It woud have worked on 9/11, had it been in place.



DrewDad wrote:
Who cares?
The Moslems ?





David
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:30 am
http://images.politico.com/global/news/100814_reax_ap_328.jpg

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41069.html

Quote:
Mosque flap swirls around Obama


This should just about be the stupid ******'s political Waterloo. I mean, there were several points at which people were saying the same thing about SlicKKK, but Bork Odongo or whatever his name is doesn't have the 180 IQ to keep on bailing himself out of this kind of bullshit.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:39 am
@cicerone imposter,
I'm indicating the lazy use of YOU in these typical rants when in this day and age one can quote from the previous targeted posts and be slightly more specific in one's criticism.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 15 Aug, 2010 10:47 am
@tsarstepan,
I was specific very. Did you even READ what wrote I or was it ended after the first words?.

Additionally I said at the start SOME of you and given the length of this thread there was to be a mess if I had quoted each and every one of them.
 

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