Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@reasoning logic,

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Now if you realy new the truth about how many people are being killed in the name of God by so called christians you would not believe it so we can not go there.

That is not happening in this moment in time or for the last few hundreds years in fact you need to go back to the 14 century for any real examples of this happening.

No relationship what so ever with current times in any case.

The muslin religion is the only major world religion now with this sickness.

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@BillRM,

I am sad to say that we all have a limited frame of reference, and when I say we I include myself!

We can all use what we call logical reasoning when we have only our limited frame of reference to go by.

You may not be interested but maybe others will find value in this. It demonstrates how a neanderthal can use logical reasoning within his own frame of reference.

When I first seen this I was not intrested in it because it seemed stupid so I did not finish watching it, but some how I came across it again later and found it to be wise.

I hope that some people enjoy it as much as I did. I think that all 3 parts total less than 20 minutes

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5HNXNXUzz8

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktmCjYoZkfg

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUhLsGMmopo

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@reasoning logic,

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am sad to say that we all have a limited frame of reference, and when I say we I include myself!

We can all use what we call logical reasoning when we have only our limited frame of reference to go by.

The question before the "court" is whether we have reasons now to view the Muslin faith and it religion centers different from other religions and their religions centers in relationship to the likelihood that they posed a far greater danger currently to the public safety then all others major religions.

We are not living in the 14 century so the situation existing in the 14 century have no impact on our safety and therefore is completely meaningless in this discuss except as a tool to blow smoke up our asses.

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@Intrepid,

Yeah, I note that he blew completely by the question about firebombing Dresden and what that means about the US being willing to kill innocents....

Nothing like a little terror to keep one's enemies cowed.

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@DrewDad,

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Yeah, I note that he blew completely by the question about firebombing Dresden and what that means about the US being willing to kill innocents....

Nothing like a little terror to keep one's enemies cowed.

I did?

How strange as I can find my reply on the subject and is it not strange that you can not do so.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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The question before the "court" is whether we have reasons now to view the Muslin faith and it religion centers different from other religions and their religions centers in relationship to the likelihood that they posed a far greater danger currently to the public safety then all others major religions.

There's nothing wrong with looking at any religion to determine how "dangerous" they are to the people of this world, but you go overboard in your assumptions. The US, a christian nation, has been involved in more terrorist activities against innocent men, women and children, than the total number of Muslims.

You're an idiot who can't see your own back yard.

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@DrewDad,

Is it not also strange that no one seem to be trying to make the case that Western Mosque centers had not proven to be a danger to the public in a way that no other religions centers have?

Instead, we get the strange and illogical to me counter argument that because of our past sins we should I guess just overlook that source of danger to our society.

In Drew case due to our grandfathers and great grandfathers decision to take out a city in Germany at the end of WW2 we have no moral right to protect ourselves from Muslins terrorists now.

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@cicerone imposter,

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The US, a christian nation, has been involved in more terrorist activities against innocent men, women and children, than the total number of Muslims.

Even if the above statement is, true and it is not on a great many grounds so what as it relate to Mosques?

On the subject of y0ur misstatements we have never been a Christian nation and no Christian religion had control of our government from the start. A large percent of our major founding fathers was not in fact Christian in any sense of that word.

See a statement on the matter contain in the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797

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As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
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As far as our human right record, we have far more to be proud of then ashamed of over our history.

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@BillRM,

This statement is true but most of us are blind to it because of things such as propaganda and sugestions [placebo]. You have a limited frame of reference.

[The US, a christian nation, has been involved in more terrorist activities against innocent men, women and children, than the total number of Muslims.]

If you would like to expand your frame of reference then go out side of your own country and study the news of other countries and not just the ones you agree with.

Every country says they are free, they are the greatest, have their own national anthem and so on and so on.

If you live in north korea should you only listen to the news that comes out of that country? Is there any thing that is to taboo to question ? How about your own way of thinking?

Good luck on your quest!

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@reasoning logic,

BillRM, You really don't know much about our own country, do you?

Here's the stats on religions in the US from Wiki:

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Main religious preferences of Americans

* Christianity: (76%[4] to 82.3%[12])
* Unaffiliated, including atheist or agnostic (11.6%[12] to 15% [4])
* Judaism (1.2%[4] to 2.2%[12])
* Islam (0.6%[12][4][6][5] to 1.6%[citation needed])
* Buddhism (0.5%[4] to 0.9%[13])
* Hinduism (0.4%)
* Other (1.4%)

You don't even know your own country.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Instead, we get the strange and illogical to me counter argument that because of our past sins we should I guess just overlook that source of danger to our society.

That's not my point at all... you seem to have a problem with reading comprehension.

My point is that by asking misleading questions, the pollsters can demonize a group of people.

I ask you again, if Americans were asked if it is OK to kill civilians to defend America, how many would say yes? Probably a lot, since Americans condoned behavior up to and including firebombing Dresden. These same Americans would deny that it is OK to actively target civilians.

If Muslims were asked if it is OK to target civilians, how many would say yes? Probably not very many.

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@cicerone imposter,

Fool stating that a large percent of the population of the US is Christian is not the same as stating it is a Christian nation.

The country government unlike any other before it was design to limit the influence and power of any religion on the government of the US.

Iran is a Muslin country as it is control to a very large degree by the Muslim religion leadership of that country with religion leaders having direct power over that country government.

The US is not and never been a Christian country in the same sense as most middle east countries happen to be Muslim countries.

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@DrewDad,

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including firebombing Dresden

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Ok once more killing civilians as the main target or only target is not the same morally as having civilians kill taking out a military target.

With the weapon technology of WW2 to completely taking out the Dresdent railroad hub and supply hub for the German army large scale bombing was needed.

Now days we would had just used smart weapons with few civilian deaths

Now the attack on the world trade center can not justify by any moral system I had hear of.

The attack on the Pentagon however disregarding the use of a passenger jet could be justify as an act of war not terror.

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@BillRM,

Here is one clause of the constitution that underline my point that the US is not a Christian or any other religion country no matter what the break down of the population happen to be.
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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

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@BillRM,

I'm not sure how dumb anyone can be as you are. The majority of Americans are christians; that means most of our government representatives and voters are influenced by their religion to the extent allowed by our Constitution. Did you know that Congress prays before each session?

"No religious test" doesn't mean no religious influence.

Where did you get your education?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Here is one clause of the constitution that underline my point that the US is not a Christian or any other religion country no matter what the break down of the population happen to be.
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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Bill, your quoted text is limited to prohibiting a religious test
for applicants for federal public offices; that 's all.

However, even tho it is a fact
that America has been a Christian nation (demografically)
that does not have legal effect. It was never intended to have legal effect.

Regardless of any opinions of Pat Robertson (whatever thay may be),
America was never created to be a theocracy. Therefore, anyone who believes that it WAS,
is a liberal (because of his deviation from historical fact).

David

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm not sure how dumb anyone can be as you are. The majority of Americans are christians; that means most of our government representatives and voters are influenced by their religion to the extent allowed by our Constitution. Did you know that Congress prays before each session?

"No religious test" doesn't mean no religious influence.

Where did you get your education?

It is hard to believe that the imposter can be right about anything,
but he is this time; (except about Bill being "dumb").

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

Any one who stated that that the US is a Christian country in the same sense as most middle east countries are Muslim countries are the fools.

We do not have religion police going around enforcing religion laws with the full power of the state.

We do not allow women to be beaten on the streets for not being not fully cover up or being out without an approve male escort.

We do not issue a death warrant with the power of the state behind due to a writer insulting the Christian religion.

We did have the third president and the main writer of our constitution writing the following concerning the Christian religion.

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And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

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Merry Christmas from our Muslims brothers who only bigots would be concern about.

MAIDUGURI, Nigeria (Reuters) - At least six people were killed in attacks on two churches in northeastern Nigeria on Christmas Eve and 20 more died in explosions in the country's central region, officials said on Saturday.

Attackers threw petrol bombs late on Friday at a church in Maiduguri, killing five people, including a Baptist pastor. A security guard at a nearby church died in a similar assault.

"This is a worrisome situation and the government will do all it can to fish out the perpetrators of this evil act," Governor of Borno State, Ali Sheriff said on Saturday.

"We must ensure that adequate security is provided for all citizens to worship freely without fear of molestation."

Separately on Friday night, a series of bombs were detonated during Christmas Eve celebrations in a village near the central city of Jos, killing at least 20 people, a spokesman said.

Gregory Yenlong, the information commissioner for Plateau state, said the exact death toll was not yet known, adding that dozens were wounded and taken to hospital.

Hundreds of people died in religious and ethnic clashes at the start of the year in the "Middle Belt," the central region of Africa's most populous nation where the mostly-Muslim north meets the predominantly Christian south.

There have been localized outbreaks of violence since then.

The tension is rooted in decades of resentment between indigenous groups, mostly Christian or animist, who are vying for control of fertile farmlands and for economic and political power with migrants and settlers from the north.

(Additional reporting by Shuaibu Mohammed and Sahabi Yahaya; writing by Joe Brock; editing by Maria Golovnina)

World

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Any one who stated that that the US is a Christian country in the same sense as most middle east countries are Muslim countries are the fools.

We do not have religion police going around enforcing religion laws with the full power of the state.

We do not allow women to be beaten on the streets for not being not fully cover up or being out without an approve male escort.

We do not issue a death warrant with the power of the state behind due to a writer insulting the Christian religion.[U have raised good points. David]

We did have the third president and the main writer of our constitution writing the following concerning the Christian religion. [Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence. He had no hand in writing the Constitution, being in France at the time. David]

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And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

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