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Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 11:45 am
@firefly,
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Exactly which NYC mosques were "centers for the support of terrorism" in the past?


I already post that information on this thread not that long ago............however here is the same information once more.

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The Pipe-Bombs Plot - 03/1991



In 03/1991 two members of Al-Farook Mosque, El Sayyid Nosair , already in jail in Rickers Island, and Wadih el Hage, plotted to plant 12 pipe-bombs in Jewish targets in New York and to assassinate El Sayyid Nosair s’ judge but never executed their plan.



Mustafa Shalabi's murder - 02/25/1991

Mustafa Shalabi, the manager and founder of “Al Kifah” association, had a bitter struggle with the blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman ever since he arrived to USA on 07/1990, probably about controlling and using the Al Kifah’s money. He was subject to constant denunciations by Omar Abdel Rahman’s followers. Under the pressure Mustafa Shalabi sent his family back to Egypt. Few days later, on 02/25/1991 Mustafa Shalabi, was mysteriously murdered.


The World Trade Center (WTC) Attack - 02/26/1993.



The investigation after the first attack on the WTC in New York, on 02/26/1993, revealed that most of the participants were from Al-Farook Mosque worshipers and that the blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman used his connection to Afghanistan to recruit experts, like Ramzi Yousef, to train his followers in using explosives.



The "HOLLAND Tunnel" plot, also known as "Day of Terror" plot - 1993.



After a short surveillance, the FBI revealed another plot planned by Al-Farook Mosque cell to set off five bombs in 10 minutes intended to blow up the United Nations headquater, the Lincoln and HOLLAND tunnels, the George Washington Bridge and a federal building in New York housing the FBI.





Epilogue



* Despite the arrests of so many terror activists from Al-Farook Mosque still In 1999 a Yemenite Sheikh Mohammed al-Moayad raised money in the Al-Farook Mosque, allegedly for charity that, according to intelligence sources, was used to finance Al Qaeda’s terror network.

* Nine worshipers of Al-Farook Mosque were arrested for the Day of Terror plot, convicted on 10/01/1995 and sent for life to jail.

* Four other associates of Al-Farook Mosque were convicted in 2002 of conspiring with Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman to commit terrorist acts while he was in prison.


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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 11:46 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
He writes "who might become..." and makes the false claim "other such NYC mosques had been in the past" without one iota of proof/evidence.


As I had already posted the information in the past either you are a fool or a liar and I would bet on fool.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 11:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
Here is another plot with connection to another mosque Masjid al-Ikhlas, in Newburgh, New York.
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Four Convicted in New York for Terrorist Plot Against Synagogues

Posted: May 21, 2009


Four New York residents have been convicted of plotting to attack two synagogues in the Bronx and to shoot down planes at a military base in Newburgh, New York.



American citizens James Cromitie (aka Abdul Rahman), David Williams (aka Daoud and DL) and Onta Williams (aka Hamza) and Haitian native Laguerre Payen (aka Amin and Almondo) were convicted of planting what they believed to be bombs in cars outside of the Riverdale Temple and the nearby Riverdale Jewish Center. They also plotted to destroy military aircraft at the New York Air National Guard Base located at Stewart Airport in Newburgh, New York.



All four of the men, who were fueled by their hatred of America and the Jews, were arrested on May 20, 2009, immediately after planting the inert explosives and charged in an eight-count indictment for conspiring and attempting to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States, conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles, and conspiracy and attempt to kill U.S. officers and employees. "These were people who were eager to bring death to Jews," Assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Snyder said at a court hearing the day after the arrests. "These are extremely violent men."


The investigation began in June 2008 when Cromitie, the apparent leader of the group, met an undercover informant at Masjid al-Ikhlas, a mosque in Newburgh, New York. In a conversation at the mosque, Cromitie explained that his parents were originally from Afghanistan and that, due to this connection with the country, he was upset about the U.S. military's war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Cromitie expressed his interest in doing "something to America" and said that if he were to die, he would go to "paradise" as a martyr, according to the complaint. Court documents also alleged that Cromitie deemed President Bush the "anti-Christ" and said he wanted to shoot the President "seven hundred times."

In subsequent conversations with the informant in October 2008, Cromitie, described in court documents as "a hate-filled, virulent anti-Semite who wanted to commit terrorist acts against Jews and the United States," stated his desire to "destroy" the Jews. "The worst brother in the whole Islamic world is better than 10 billion Yahudi (Jews)," Cromitie stated. "With no hesitation, I will kill 10 Yahudis."

In November 2008, Cromitie and the informant went to Philadelphia to attend a meeting of the Muslim Alliance of North America (MANA), a mostly African-American organization that seeks to strengthen Muslim communities through empowering mosques.

During the trip, Cromitie reportedly discussed potential targets to attack in New York, saying, "the best target [the World Trade Center] was hit already." In reference to a terrorist attack on a synagogue, Cromitie expressed his hatred of Jews, allegedly saying, "I hate those motherf-----s, those f-----g Jewish bastards…I would like to get [destroy] a synagogue."

The men began surveillance of several synagogues and a Jewish Community Center in the Bronx in April 2009. During the surveillance, Cromitie allegedly pointed to Jews in the street and said "if he had a gun, he would shoot each one in the head," according to the district attorney's statement. Cromitie also said that bombing the Jewish Community Center would be a "piece of cake."

All four defendants are reported to have discussed details of the planned attack with the informant and confirmed that each of them was willing to participate in the attacks for "jihad" and to support Jaish-e-Mohammed, a U.S. designated terrorist group in Pakistan that has openly declared war against the U.S. During the discussion, Onta Williams allegedly stated, "They [the United States military] are killing Muslim brothers and sisters in Muslim countries so, if we kill them here [in the United States] with IEDs and Stingers, it is equal." David Williams added that "it does not matter" if Jews are killed in the attack.

In preparation for the attack, the men went to a warehouse in Stamford, Connecticut to obtain what they believed to be a surface-to-air guided missile system and three IEDs, which they transported back to Newburgh. The men also purchased a semiautomatic handgun to use during the planned terrorist operation.

All four of the defendants reportedly converted to Islam while serving time in prison for an array of charges, including drug possession and assault charges. Cromitie was arrested 27 times, at least a dozen of which were for drug offenses, according to New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.



According to media reports, the four men attended the same Newburgh mosque, Masjid al-Ikhlas, though it is unclear if that is where they met each other. The imam of the mosque, Salahuddin Muhammad, reportedly converted to Islam while serving a 12-year prison sentence for robbery and has served as the Muslim chaplain at the Fishkill Correctional Facility, where James Cromitie was previously incarcerated, since 1985. Muhammad was appointed as the imam of the prison by Warith Deen Umar, whom he reportedly met while they were both serving prison sentences in the 1970s. Umar was in charge of placing Muslim chaplains in the New York Prison system before he was banned from the New York State Department of Corrections for praising the perpetrators of the September 11 terrorist attacks.



The plot against the New York synagogues and military base is one of several terrorist plots in the U.S. motivated by anti-Semitism and radical interpretations of Islam. Such plots motivated by a hatred of Jews include the 2007 Fort Dix terror plot, the 2006 bomb plot in Rockford, Illinois, the 2006 shooting in Seattle, the 2005 Los Angeles terror plot and the 2002 southern Florida bomb plot that targeted Jewish-owned businesses, the Israeli Consulate in Miami and Jewish community centers.

In addition, several terrorist plots in New York were also motivated by a hatred of Jews or Israel. These include:

A group of men plotted to attack New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) in 2007, in part because they wanted to take revenge on the U.S. for its diplomatic relationship with Israel.

James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj plotted to bomb New York's Herald Square subway station in 2004 to show solidarity with the Palestinians because of their hatred of the "Zionists."

In July 1997, Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer plotted to blow up a subway station in Brooklyn in order to "kill as many Jews as possible." He testified that he chose the Atlantic Avenue station as a target because there are "a lot of Jews who ride that train."

Ali Abu Kamal, a Palestinian man who went on a shooting spree atop the Empire State Building in 1997, carried a note in his pocket indicating the attack was meant to vent his anger at the U.S. for using Israel as an "instrument" against the Palestinian people.

In 1993, five Islamic extremists detonated a car bomb below Tower One of the World Trade Center in New York City, killing 6 people and wounding more than 1,000 others. Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind behind the attack, first planned to bomb Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn, but settled on the World Trade Center because "the majority of people who work in the World Trade Center are Jews," according to Abdul Rahman Yasin, a co-conspirator in the attack.

Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, an Egyptian cleric and alleged leader of the terrorist group Gama'a al-Islamiyya, plotted to bomb five major landmarks in New York in 1993, including the United Nations Headquarters, the Lincoln Tunnel, the Holland Tunnel, the George Washington Bridge and the FBI office in New York. In addition, he plotted to attack New York's diamond district, an area largely populated by Jews, which according to one of his co-defendants would be like "hitting Israel itself."

In 1973, Khalid Al-Jawary plotted to blow up cars parked out of three Israeli targets in Manhattan to coincide with a scheduled visit to New York by then-Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir. The targets included El Al air terminal at John F. Kennedy International airport, the First Israel Bank and Trust Company, and the Israel Discount Bank in New York City.




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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 11:54 am
@BillRM,
How interesting!

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The “Al Kifah” association - 1987

In 1987, under the Imam Fawaz Damra, Mustafa Shalabi and other members of the Al-Farook Mosque founded the "Al Kifah" charity association to raise money and recruit volunteers to the war in Afghanistan. That activity was welcomed by the USA security establishment as it was regarded aimed against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. The CIA itself established the contacts between “Al Kifah” in Brooklyn and Osama Bin Laden ’s office in Afghanistan - the Maktab al-khidamat .
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And this effect the fact that mosques are proven source of terrorism plots?

Once more is it your position that we should allow our throats to be cut by any Muslim who would care to do so or not?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:06 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, You don't get it, do you? Our own CIA supported this group.

firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
BillRM also doesn't get it that, because there are Muslim terrorists in the U.S., who might attend a mosque, does not mean that "mosques are proven source of terrorism plots".
The 9/11 hijackers were living in the U.S., but the source of the plot came from outside the country, and U.S. mosques had nothing to do with it. Similarly, the more recent home grown terrorists, like the Fort Hood shooter and the Times Square car bomber, were not influenced by activity in their local mosques.

Also, a lot of what he's posting as "evidence" is quite old. The terrorist network operates and recruits on the internet now.

There is no reason to believe that another mosque in lower Manhattan is any greater a threat than any of the other many mosques in NYC--which have been around for decades without problems. The proximity to the WTC site means nothing.

BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Yes, the CIA supported the first plot to blow up the world trade center or the subway tunnels or whatever.

One more mosques are proven source worldwide of terrorists attacks and the only logic I can see for you not being concern about a new/large mosque right near to ground zero is by your logic you think we should allow mass killings of our citizens to atoned for sins going back to Columbus.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:20 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
BillRM also doesn't get it that, because there are Muslim terrorists in the U.S., who might attend a mosque, does not mean that the mosque is the source of terrorism.

Also, a lot of what he's posting as "evidence" is quite old.


You can not read that they are the center of the plots, fundings and recruiting?

You are as dishonest as you always had been it would seem.

Oh quite old such as the first attempted to destroy the world trade center?

Something had change in how likely mosques will be used in terrorists attacks?

Would you like for me post mosques used for the same purpose in Europe that is only a year old or so?

Silly silly game player................
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:34 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, That is old news; it's embedded in everybody's brain as 9-11, and that's 2001. In common jargon, it's called "a decade old."

Do you understand what security measures have taken place since then? Probably not, because you're still afraid of Muslim terrorists who will wipe you out!

Are you afraid when you drive your car or walk cross the street? Think about that, because that'll be more statistically possible than any terrorist who will harm you.
firefly
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:35 pm
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Imam behind NYC mosque plan sees hope after fury
(AP) – Dec 9, 2010

NEW YORK (AP) — Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf saw his plans for an Islamic center near ground zero derided as a victory mosque for terrorists, exploited as campaign fodder and used as a bargaining chip by a Florida pastor who vowed to burn the Quran.

After that summer of mistrust and raw feeling, he's looking on the bright side.

Rauf says he hopes to use the platform he gained through the angry debate to turn his small nonprofit group into a global movement celebrating pluralism.

In an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press, Rauf said he hopes to see interfaith centers like the one he plans to include inside the downtown Manhattan Islamic center built all over the world. Each would be dedicated to fighting extremism and promoting better relations between people of different faiths and cultures.

Already, he said, he is exploring opening facilities in other American cities, as well as in Indonesia and Kosovo.

"We went to the brink, in a certain way," he said of last summer's tumult. But he added, "This crisis showed us what was possible. ... It showed us that there is actually hope. Hope for a better relationship between America and the Muslim world, both domestically and internationally."

Whether there is hope for the proposed center two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center attacks is unclear.

The superheated rhetoric of August and early September has died down, aside from the occasional downtown demonstration, and there appear to be no major governmental obstacles, but the $150 million project still remains on a slow track to construction.

The developer of the site has said groundbreaking is probably three years away. The nonprofit group that would run the center is still being established. A fundraising campaign has yet to begin. Developer Sharif El-Gamal has said he plans to borrow most of the money needed to build by selling a type of bond common in Islamic banking.

The timetable will give Rauf and his wife, the activist Daisy Khan, more time to make their case that a Muslim institution belongs at ground zero. They envision a 13- to 15-story facility with space for a health club, a day care center and playground, an auditorium for cultural events, art studios and galleries, a 9/11 memorial and a two-level prayer room with seating for a congregation of 2,000.

"We were part of the narrative of 9/11," Rauf said, noting that members of his own congregation, based about 10 blocks from the Trade Center, had been victims of the attacks.

"We have an obligation. We have a responsibility" to participate in the rebuilding of the neighborhood, he said. "This center is an anti-9/11 statement."

Convincing the country, though, hasn't been easy.

As city officials declined to block the center, critics, including many prominent Republicans, decried it as a slap in the face to the families of Sept. 11 victims. Newt Gingrich compared the center to Nazis putting a sign next to the Holocaust Museum.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg and religious leaders of many faiths have been among the center's most ardent supporters. Relatives of 9/11 victims have come out on both sides.

The debate took a bizarre turn when the leader of a small Christian congregation in Florida said he would call off his plans to burn the Quran on the Sept. 11 anniversary if the Islamic center were moved farther from ground zero. Rauf agreed to nothing — not even to meet with Pastor Terry Jones — but Jones still ended up changing his mind about burning Islam's holy book.

Rauf and Khan said they have begun talking in recent weeks with more relatives of 9/11 victims in an attempt to build support for the center.

Khan said she hoped some would agree to be "part of the healing process" and help design the center's 9/11 memorial.

The couple are also trying to find a role for themselves in repairing what they see as a rift between U.S. Muslims and the nation's Christian majority.

Mere acceptance of Muslims in the U.S. is not Rauf's goal.

"It is not enough for me that you tolerate me," he explained to an audience in Jakarta last month. "I want you to love me."

The Cordoba Initiative is a pro-Western organization that sent election monitors last spring to Sudan, and Rauf has spent much of his life preaching religious tolerance and the need for people of different faiths to work together.

Rauf and Khan have kept their offices for years in the Interchurch Center, a Manhattan office tower packed with Christian religious agencies that was conceived as a space where different denominations could mingle and collaborate.

His social friends are as likely to be Jewish or Christian as they are Muslim. The Very Rev. James Morton, retired dean of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine, recalled how his family, Rauf, Khan and a rabbi once spent 10 days together on a Mediterranean cruise.

"We went from Spain to North Africa," the Episcopal priest said — a crossing of a historic border and crossroads between the Islamic and Christian worlds. "It was a wonderful trip."

Rauf and Khan said they would prefer to spend their time talking about issues like gender equity and women's rights within Islam. Khan leads, among other things, an empowerment group that favors a more visible role for women in Muslim cultural, religious and judicial institutions.

The couple say they were shocked by the emotional nature of the opposition to the Islamic center project, and regret they did not anticipate the situation ahead of time. Yet they are also insistent that moving the facility to another location would be a mistake.

The couple's courtship of 9/11 families appears to be aimed at potentially influential fence-sitters in the debate over the center, rather than ardent critics, although Khan also recently participated in a public panel discussion with Jim Riches, a former New York City deputy fire chief whose son, Jimmy, was killed at the trade center.

"It was a true dialogue," Khan said of her appearance with Riches. "When he was speaking about his pain, I had tears in my eyes."

She said the main point she wanted to get across during their talk was that the 9/11 attacks were an epic tragedy for Muslims, too — compounded by fears of a backlash and a sense that they had been irreparably alienated from their countrymen.

"The fact that we were not allowed to participate in this tragedy, that we were shut out ... that was very traumatic for the community," she said.

Establishing a presence so close to ground zero, she said, would send a powerful message:

"We stand for peace, and peace where it matters the most."

And if the structure never gets built, due to financial problems or political difficulties?

"It certainly matters, but it will not be an impediment," Rauf said. His work will continue, although, as Khan added, "It is a lot easier to bring people together in bricks and mortar."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ga3BvEbsuhMMEu6ZVzuJ3WqU7taA?docId=c221e65c227b44b28c39ceee90dece9e

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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 12:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Do you understand what security measures have taken place since then?


Oh so you think we have all Mosques so completely bug that no plots could go on even in a very large mosque, no recruiting could now go on either or fund raising?

Bet if it would come out that law enforcement is bugging mosques you would be the first one to cry out in outrage!!!!!!!

Now for your next illogical statement because the death rate for terrorists attacks in small compare to other means of deaths we should just allow then to happen as they will?

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:12 pm
@BillRM,
Not all mosques need to be bugged; as not all catholic churches need to be bugged.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Not all mosques need to be bugged; as not all catholic churches need to be bugged.


As no Catholic church had been a center of terrorism that I am aware of such a statement is nonsense.

Morgues in fact are fairly unique in lending themselves to terrorism.




OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:24 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Do you understand what security measures have taken place since then?
BillRM wrote:
Oh so you think we have all Mosques so completely bug that no plots could go on even in a very large mosque, no recruiting could now go on either or fund raising?

Bet if it would come out that law enforcement is bugging mosques you would be the first one to cry out in outrage!!!!!!!

Now for your next illogical statement because the death rate for terrorists attacks in small compare to other means of deaths we should just allow then to happen as they will?
U have chosen GOOD ARGUMENTS, Bill!!!
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:34 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Thanks David...........
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:39 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Thanks David...........
See??? PERFECT English! I know that u can DO it.





David
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:49 pm
@BillRM,
How does a morgue lend itself to terrorism? I have never heard of a dead person committing a crime.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:51 pm
@mysteryman,
I 've heard of dead people illegally voting Democrat.
Its traditional.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:04 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
Not all mosques need to be bugged; as not all catholic churches need to be bugged.


As no Catholic church had been a center of terrorism that I am aware of such a statement is nonsense.

Morgues in fact are fairly unique in lending themselves to terrorism.







No. Morgues are fairly unique in lending themselves to dead people for various reasons.
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