Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

It's one of those human mysteries where people can't seem to see that their viewpoints are not only bigoted, but not rational in any way. Trying to explain to him that the Muslim extremists who are terrorists are a very small minority of the Muslim population goes nowhere.

If he can apply that kind of rationalization in his own mind, it makes me wonder how they can rationalize other issues that are generally accepted as truths/facts. Their brains must work in mysterious ways that most of us can't understand.

No given the thousands of deaths in the US alone by men acting in the name of that faith and the fact that those deaths and plans attacks that did not come off all in one way or another were connected to Mosques I do not see how not pretending this connection does not exist is being a bigot.

Being a non-bigot seem to require you to bury your head in the sand and not see the world as it is not as you would wish it it be.

Well both you gentlemen care more about being PC then the lives of thousands of your fellow citizens and that I find amazing and sad at the same time.

The bigotry comes in when you blame the whole class for what a minority of them are responsible for. How many Muslim terrorists are there in the US? How many Muslims are there in the US? Get the picture?

How many white people commit murder in the US? How many white people are in the US? Do you blame all white people for the crimes of the few?

You'll never "get it." You'll never get your head out of your arse.

As anyone can tell you, Iam the absolute last person that can be called PC.
But, having been to the middle east and Indonesia and having learned somethings, I refuse to blame every Muslim for ths actions of a very small minority of them.
To blame all of them is irrational, hateful, bigoted and just plain wrong. I am sorry for you if you cant or wont see that.

You love to created straw dogs do you not?

Now where did I blame all Muslims?

Please repost where I blame all Muslims.

Mosques have a history of being involved with terrorist acts that is a fact not an opinion.

No other major religion currently have such a history of their religion centers being involved in a similar manner. We are talking about the here and now not 800 years ago.

Now why given the above facts is it wrong or being a bigot not to regard mosque in the same assume harmless light as we do churches or temples or whatever?

ASSHOLE where did I blame all Muslims for anything????????????

I will add that given that whole and not small nation states are control by this small minority I do not know how small it is in fact is.

So this is your idea of tiny Mysteryman?


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/53865

Support for Suicide Bombings and Bin Laden Still High Among Some Muslims
A new survey gauging Muslim attitudes indicates that backing for suicide bombings against civilians remains significant in some Islamic countries, a finding that challenges the assertion that Muslims supporting terrorism constitute a "tiny minority."
Friday, September 11, 2009
By Patrick Goodenough

Palestinian supporters of Hamas attend a rally in Gaza City on Sunday, Dec. 14, 2008, marking the group's 21st anniversary. (AP Photo)
(CNSNews.com) – A new survey gauging Muslim attitudes indicates that backing for suicide bombings against civilians, while generally down from earlier years, remains significant in some Islamic countries – challenging the assertion that Muslims supporting terrorism constitute a “tiny minority.”

In the Pew Global Attitudes Project poll released on Thursday, 68 percent of Palestinian Muslim respondents said suicide bombings against civilians were justifiable “to defend Islam from its enemies.”

That view was shared by 43 percent of respondents in Nigeria and 38 percent in Lebanon, where 51 percent of Shi’ites held the view compared to 25 percent of Sunnis.

Elsewhere, the proportion of Muslim respondents supporting suicide bombings against civilians was 15 percent in Egypt, 13 percent in Indonesia, 12 percent in Jordan, seven percent in Israel (Muslim Arab citizens), five percent in Pakistan and four percent in Turkey.

Of the eight countries polled, support for suicide bombings increased since last year in five of them.

On the other hand, this year’s results show a decline over the period since 2002.

Pakistan recorded the most striking drop: In 2004, 41 percent of respondents justified suicide terrorism, whereas the number recorded this year was five percent. Terrorism has surged in Pakistan since 2007, and this year alone, at least 750 people had been killed and 2,276 injured in 365 bombings inside Pakistan as of the end of August, according to figures compiled by the South Asia Terrorism Portal in New Delhi.

The Pew survey also found although majorities in Nigeria (54 percent) and the Palestinian territories (52 percent) expressed “confidence in the al Qaeda leader [Osama bin Laden] to do the right thing regarding world affairs.”

In the other countries surveyed, the Saudi terrorist enjoyed the backing of 28 percent of respondents in Jordan, 25 percent in Indonesia, 23 percent in Egypt, 18 percent in Pakistan, 16 percent in Israel, four percent in Lebanon and two percent in Turkey.

The biggest drop in support for bin Laden was measured in Indonesia (down 34 points since 2003), Jordan (down 28 points) and Pakistan (down 28 points). The trend in Nigeria was in the opposite direction – up 10 points since 2003.

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BillRM, Do you have any idea why this is what happens when Muslims see the US as occupiers of their countries? We attacked Iraq, and we support Israel against the Palestinians.

Have you no conscience? Do you have any ability to understand how Muslims feel when we engage Muslim countries in wars, and kill innocent men, women, and children?

Is that too spacial for you to understand?

Why some Muslims feel that killing Americans is a wonderful idea and in fact a religion duty is beside the point.

The point being that these people exist and they had used NYC mosques to plan, fund and recruit members in the past.

So to view a new mosque as a possible and even likely danger point to the citizens of NYC is neither being a bigot or irrational.

So that is also the reason that the two groups/branches of this wonderful faith
have an ongoing thousand years habit of killing each other and attacking each other holy sites?

Those suicide bombers headed for heaven and the virgins are more likely then not to be killing fellow Muslins of the "wrong" sec then evil Americans.

And did they ask if the World Trade Center attack, or the attacks in Afghanistan, have been "to defend Islam from its enemies?"

Probably not....

If you ask Americans, "can we bomb civilians in order to protect America from its enemies" you'll probably get a pretty large number saying "yes."

BillRM is in that group that believes there are 1.5 million Muslim terrorists. He stays awake at night worrying that one of them will eventually kill him and his family.

More likely, he'll be killed driving his own car near his home.

Oh? Can you randomly blow up children and women with no military reason for doing so you would think that Americans would say go for it?

The funny and amusing thing is unlike such countries a Spain if you wish Americans to come and sit on you forever and a day killing Americans is the way to do it.

With drones flying 24/7 looking to place a hell fire missile up your rear end out of the clear blue sky.

It nice that you feel so free to speak for me however the numbers of terrorists with special l note of the fools willing to blow themselves up is highly unlikely to number more then a few tens of thousands at the very most.

However the numbers of Muslins willing to cheer them on numbers in the tens to the hundreds of millions. See the survey already posted here.

All true however starting with the Iraq-Iran war very high religions leaders of the faith had declared that under conditions they had define killing women and children and innocents is indeed allow.

BillRM wrote:

How did you arrive at this number?

You also wrote:

Who did they survey? The 1.4 billion Muslims of the world?

So, when the US started the war in Iraq with our "shock and awe," the majority of Americans were elated? After all, we killed over a hundred thousand innocent Iraqis. How about Vietnam? We were responsible for untold cruelty and massacre in that country. Did you jump for joy during that war?

You probably did.

Let me get this clear in my mind my silly friend it is your position that because of our own misdeeds we have a moral duty to allow our throats to be cut by any Muslin who feel like doing so?

That is why we have no right to be concern about a mosque who might become a center for the support of terrorism as other such NYC mosque had been in the past?

Exactly which NYC mosques were "centers for the support of terrorism" in the past?

BillRM wrote:

He writes "who might become..." and makes the false claim "other such NYC mosques had been in the past" without one iota of proof/evidence.

This guy is sick in the head; he imagines all sorts of things not of reality or rational thinking.