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Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 23 Oct, 2010 12:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
peoples minds are the same.


or not

or without the publicity everyone went yeah whatever

or

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/nyregion/23mosques.html

Quote:
This week, hundreds of mosques and Islamic organizations across the country have been encouraging their members to invite non-Muslims to attend prayers, discussions and tours of Islamic centers as a way to defuse hostility toward the Muslim population.

In New York, about 20 mosques are participating in the event, which began last weekend and ends on Sunday. And organizers said that it had been a success — the experience of the Omar Ben Abdel-Aziz Mosque notwithstanding — with hundreds of visitors attending lectures, tours and question-and-answer sessions at Islamic centers in all five boroughs of New York City and on Long Island.

The idea for the program, “A Week of Dialogue,” emerged from a summit of Islamic leaders last month in New York and was, in part, a response to the furor surrounding a plan to open a Muslim community center and mosque near ground zero.

“In terms of rectifying this Islamophobia and bigotry, we should focus on our relationship with our neighbors,” said Zaheer Uddin, executive director of the Islamic Leadership Council of Metropolitan New York, an umbrella group of mosques and Islamic groups in the city. “If our neighbors are happy, they can’t make some propaganda stuff.”

A New York Times poll in August found that 75 percent of New Yorkers had never visited a mosque, and that those who had, or who had a close Muslim friend, were more likely to support the Muslim center planned in Lower Manhattan.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 02:13 am
Quote:
N.Y. mosque debate echoes fear 225 years ago
Sunday, October 10, 2010 03:00 AM
By Paul Vitello
The New York Times

Many New Yorkers were suspicious of the newcomers’ plans to build a house of worship in Manhattan. Some feared the project was being underwritten by foreigners. Others said the strangers’ beliefs were incompatible with democratic principles.

Concerned residents held demonstrations, some of which turned bitter.

But cooler heads prevailed; the project proceeded to completion. And this week, St. Peter’s Roman Catholic Church in lower Manhattan — the locus of that controversy two centuries ago — is celebrating the 225th anniversary of the laying of its cornerstone.

The Rev. Kevin V. Madigan, who is the pastor of St. Peter’s, was not initially struck by the parallels between the opposition the church had faced and what present-day Muslims have encountered in proposing a community center and mosque two blocks from ground zero.

But as an uproar enveloped the Islamic project over the summer, the priest said he was startled by how closely the opposition mirrored that brought in 1785 against St. Peter’s, blocks from the proposed mosque site.

City officials in 18th-century New York urged project organizers to change the church’s location, in what was then the heart of the city, to outside the city. Unlike the organizers of Park51, the Catholics complied.

Then there were fears about nefarious foreign backers. Just as some opponents of Park51 have said that the $100 million-plus project will be financed by the same Saudi sheiks who bankroll terrorists, many early Protestants saw the pope as the enemy of democracy. They feared the church would lead a papal assault on the new U.S. government.

The Park51 organizers say they will not accept foreign backing. But St. Peter’s Church was made possible by a handsome gift from King Charles III of Spain.

The angry eruptions at demonstrations this summer against the Muslim center were not as vehement as those directed at St. Peter’s, Madigan said.

Two decades after the church was built, Protestants started a melee that killed a policeman. They were incensed at a celebration going on inside that they viewed as an exercise in “popish superstition” — Christmas.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/national_world/stories/2010/10/10/n-y--mosque-debate-echoes-fear-225-years-ago.html?sid=101

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 07:21 am
@firefly,
When were the last time American citizens were killed in large numbers in the name of the Pope or the Catholic faith Firefly?
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 11:36 am
@BillRM,
You miss the point that the irrational fears about the building of that church did not pan out, and that the fears regarding the building of the community center/mosque may be similarly irrational.

Out of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, only 19 of them were directly involved, as hijackers, in the attacks of 9/11, and their motives were more political than religious. To challenge the building of every mosque in the United States, based on the political actions of a very small minority of Muslim extremists, is as irrational as the protests against the building of that Catholic church 225 years ago.

According to the 2004 John Jay Report commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), there were 6,700 cases of sexual abuse of Americans by Catholic priests which were investigated and substantiated between 1950 and 2002.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases#United_States

Would you advocate that every Catholic parochial school be closed down because of the possibility that pedophile priests might have contact with children? Would you forbid the building of Catholic churches within a mile of public schools or playgrounds for the same reasons? Should we ban the building of Catholic churches since they might be breeding grounds for pedophiles?

How far do you want to carry blaming all members of a religion for the actions of a very small minority of followers?
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 11:43 am
@firefly,
Quote:
You miss the point that the irrational fears about the building of that church did not pan out, and that the fears regarding the building of the community center/mosque may be similarly irrational.


I question if few people have any fear of this Mosque rational or irrational it is just in damn poor taste to locate it near the site of a very large mass murders done in the name of that faith.

In fact it go beyond just poor taste to sickening poor taste.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 12:06 pm
@BillRM,
I think you're just to the point of opposing Firefly, no matter what.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 12:20 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
I think you're just to the point of opposing Firefly, no matter what.


You are free to think whatever your brain can come up with.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 12:22 pm
@BillRM,
That's not a denial.... Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 03:53 pm
@BillRM,
I like the term "poor taste" when something so subjective can be looked at in so many ways. What does poor taste mean, anywhos?
Intrepid
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 04:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It means somebody pissed in Billy's cornflakes.

Wink
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 04:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Well poor taste is in this case is placing unnecessary a religion building at a location you know or should had known is likely to bring pain to the families of the victims of the 911 attack.

The location is so unnecessary it is as those planners of this building intention from the start were to cause emotional pains to those families.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 04:29 pm
@BillRM,
Why should/would it bring pain? There are already mosques in the area, and it's not at ground zero.

Your so-called poor taste explanations are not logical, nor is it supported by our Constitution.

Only small minded people and bigots think as you do.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 04:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Only small minded people and bigots think as you do.


Hmm back to names calling and surely no one who is allow to work at NPR would dare to think like I do. LOL

In any case I do not remember stating that there is any question that they had a right under our laws to give the finger to the 911 victims families if they wish to do so and it seem that they do wish to do so.

The American Nazis Party even had have a right to march in a suburb of Chicago that at the time contain a large numbers of the Nazis death camps survivors. Strange is if not that even those nuts in the end had enough human decency not to march in spite of having the right to do so.


As far as being a bigot yes I am a bigot toward anyone who go out of their ways to cause emotional pains to the 911 families.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 05:22 pm
@BillRM,
So, for this one issue, you are a bigot. WOW~!

How about the pain our country caused all those tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis who lost family members and friends by us?

Are you a bigot for them too? Most, if not all of them, were Muslims.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 06:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
How about the pain our country caused all those tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis who lost family members and friends by us?

Are you a bigot for them too? Most, if not all of them, were Muslims.


So it is your position that the 911 families deserve to have the finger to be given to them for the above reason. You are no longer pretending that the finger is not what is being offer by the building of that Mosque?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 06:47 pm
@BillRM,
What's a finger or two when we're talking about lives.
It's too bad your "feelings" are hurt.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 06:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
What's a finger or two when we're talking about lives.


True and we should be given at least a first class medal for saving countless lives of Muslims that happen to belong to the wrong sect in Iraqi along with the Kurds.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 07:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I can only congratulate you on dropping the false face and admitting that the Mosque is only a tool to cause pain to the 911 victims families.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 07:31 pm
@BillRM,
You talk about some of the 3,000 families who lost loved ones. I'm talking about tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis who have lost family and friends by our shock and awe campaign and during the six years of our war in that country.

Your myopia only proves you are a bigot and unfeeling towards other humans.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 4 Nov, 2010 08:01 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I'm talking about tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis who have lost family and friends by our shock and awe campaign and during the six years of our war in that country


Hmm and the millions of Kurds are worthless in your opinion and they all should had been allow to be gas to death or hunted down like animals by the Saddam government.

Not to comment on the only Muslins you seem to care about are the Sunnis not the Shia who gain by our actions.

It never as simple as you would like to paint the world and in any case we are all in agreement that the Mosque location was picked to hurt the feelings of Americans with special regard to 911 victims and their families.

 

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