Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@BillRM,

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It never as simple as you would like to paint the world

Truer words were never spoken Billiam. Especially when you consider the rest of your pronouncement..

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we are all in agreement that the Mosque location was picked to hurt the feelings of Americans with special regard to 911 victims and their families.

What's this we Kimosabe? You got a mouse in your pocket?

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@panzade,

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we are all in agreement that the Mosque location was picked to hurt the feelings of Americans with special regard to 911 victims and their families.

This doesn't even make any sense. Why would Americans want to hurt their own feelings?

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@maxdancona,

You attribute a quote made by BillRM to Panzade.

You are replying to the wrong poster with the wrong quote.

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@maxdancona,

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This doesn't even make any sense. Why would Americans want to hurt their own feelings?

You mean the same kind of American as Major Nidal Malik who not only hurt other Americans feelings but also kill thirteen follow Americans and wounded 32 more all in the name of his religion faith?

Strange that no one had done a similar deed in the name of the Pope yet is it not?

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@BillRM,

What Saddam did to the Kurds should have been an international issue; we are not the world police.

Who ever thinks otherwise just doesn't understand logistics or logic.

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@cicerone imposter,

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What Saddam did to the Kurds should have been an international issue; we are not the world police.
Who ever thinks otherwise just doesn't understand logistics or logic

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I am used to people complaining when the US did not stopped some genocide or other but you are the very first that had complained that we did stop a genocide from happening.

How can we make this injustice of stopping the killing of the Kurds up to our Muslims brothers in Iraq?

I am not sure but maybe we still have enough poison gas stockpiles laying around that we had not as yet destroy to wipe the Kurds out ourselves.

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@BillRM,

Bill, Are you really that ignorant? The US has been involved in genocide. Who stopped us?

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@cicerone imposter,

Agreed, we are not the worlds police force.
But we are the country that everyone turns to for help when they need anything.
Be it natural disaster, medical disaster, famine, money, or almost anything else, the US seems to be the country that people turn to for help.

It seems to me that if we arent the worlds police force, we shouldnt be the worlds pharmacy, or the worlds food bank, or the worlds financial aid center, or the worlds anything for that matter.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Agreed, we are not the worlds police force.
But we are the country that everyone turns to for help when they need anything.
Be it natural disaster, medical disaster, famine, money, or almost anything else,
the US seems to be the country that people turn to for help.

It seems to me that if we arent the worlds police force, we shouldnt be the worlds pharmacy,
or the worlds food bank, or the worlds financial aid center, or the worlds anything for that matter.

Very TRUE! Government has NO jurisdiction for that.

When it does that, it is only by USURPATION,
the same as if the President plundered Fort Knox and stole the gold.

David

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@mysteryman,

mm, We're not only the world's police force, we don't have enough police in many of our big cities at home. Figure that one out?

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@cicerone imposter,

Oh name a people we had wipe out to the last man woman and child?

And no we did not wipe out Indian tribes in fact there are now more of an Indian population now then in 1492.

We did move them around and did not treat them as kindly as we could had done but that is not genocide.

As they was arm communities who from time to time would joined with our enemies to fight wars with us, we was not all that bad to them at least compare to other peoples in others times.

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@BillRM,

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we are all in agreement that the Mosque location was picked to hurt the feelings of Americans with special regard to 911 victims and their families.

Who is in agreement about that? The 9/11 family organizations aren't even in agreement about that.

Which 9/11 family organizations have spoken out and complained that the location of this project was insensitive to their feelings? Can you name several of these organized 9/11 family groups that actually oppose the project?

You are aware that Pamela Geller and Stop Islamization Of America, the primary organizers of opposition to the mosque project, have exploited the alleged sensitivities of 9/11 families to further their own agenda, aren't you?

You are aware that some 9/11 family organizations support the building of this project, aren't you?

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Some family members of 9/11 victims to support mosque construction

Some family members of 9/11 victims will rally Wednesday in support of a controversial mosque and Islamic center that is scheduled to be built near New York City's ground zero.

Their group, called September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, will also be joined by at least 40 religious and civic organizations, and is expected to announce the creation of a coalition called New York Neighbors for American Values. The coalition's goals include support of "religious freedom and diversity" and the rejection of "crude stereotypes meant to frighten and divide us."
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/25/some-family-members-of-911-victims-to-support-mosque-construction/

And, you are aware that Muslims, who worked at the WTC, were killed on 9/11, aren't you? They, and their families, were just as affected as everyone else that day, and they are part of the "9/11 families" who suffered terrible loses. Why are their feelings not being considered by you?

You also seem quite dense regarding the motives behind the 9/11 attacks as well as the other terrorist incidents since then, such as the Fort Hood massacre, the Times Square car bomb, etc. These terrorist attacks, as well as others directed toward U.S. interests, are motivated by political factors--as revenge for U.S. foreign policy and U.S. interventions in the Muslim world. These are acts of political protest..

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@firefly,

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\You are aware that Pamela Geller and Stop Islamization Of America, the primary organizers of opposition to the mosque project, have exploited the alleged sensitivities of 9/11 families to further their own agenda, aren't you?

He's been told, certainly, but it doesn't seem to be sinking in. Apparently once a concept becomes lodged in his brain, it acts as an antibody to facts.

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@cicerone imposter,

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You talk about some of the 3,000 families who lost loved ones. I'm talking about tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis who have lost family and friends by our shock and awe campaign and during the six years of our war in that country.

Your myopia only proves you are a bigot and unfeeling towards other humans.

You are taking the 3,000 out of context of being on American soil, which means the Homeland was attacked. Did we kill as many Iraqis, as we killed Japanese in WWII, since both were predicated on the Homeland being attacked?

Plus, we ultimately nuked the Japanese.

The problem on this thread is that those that might be concerned about the collateral damage in foreign countries are not being asked to just choose sides. Something the world has been doing for millenia. One cannot win a war, and not kill any of the enemy. Dead enemies, and won wars are mutually exclusive.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

What Saddam did to the Kurds should have been an international issue; we are not the world police.

Who ever thinks otherwise just doesn't understand logistics or logic.

Au contraire. We most certainly are functioning as the world police, since the world has an impotent UN as the only other attempt at maintaining order. And, let us not forget that the genii is out of the bottle (aka, nuclear weapons), and that genii cannot be put back in the bottle (aka, uninvent nuclear weapons). Someone needs to function as the world police in a nuclear age, and since the rest of the world are a bunch of scared rabbits, in my opinion, it defaults ethically to the U.S.

Thank goodness you are only alive in the 21st century, since I would guess that in the 25th century you would be claiming that the U.S. is not the inter-galactic police. And, we will likely be that too then.

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@Foofie,

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Did we kill as many Iraqis, as we killed Japanese in WWII, since both were predicated on the Homeland being attacked?

We weren't attacked by Iraq. We attacked and invaded Iraq.

That's part of the U.S. foreign policy and intervention that inspires the politically motivated terrorist acts against the United States.

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@firefly,

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Did we kill as many Iraqis, as we killed Japanese in WWII,
since both were predicated on the Homeland being attacked?

firefly wrote:

We weren't attacked by Iraq. We attacked and invaded Iraq.

That's part of the U.S. foreign policy and intervention that inspires
the politically motivated terrorist acts against the United States.

As a citizen of a major port city, candor moves me to say
that I 'm grateful to W for his removing a certain homicidal maniac
with nuclear ambitions and a grudge against us (for throwing him out of Kuwait).

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

David, Saddam didn't have "nuclear ambitions." That was an outright lie that the Bush cabal told the world to sell their war.

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@cicerone imposter,

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David, Saddam didn't have "nuclear ambitions." That was an outright lie that the Bush cabal told the world to sell their war.

It was not "their war." It was our war. Fought for reasons that us little chickens might not understand its import.

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@Foofie,

Oh we understood alright.

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