Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@firefly,

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That Halloween story is old news...and unrelated to building a community center in NYC.

It is very very related to your claims that burning holy books of other religions would result in violent however!!!!!!!!!

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@BillRM,

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It is very very related to your claims that burning holy books of other religions would result in violent however!!!!!!!!!

What is with you? The issue is whether anti-Muslim sentiment and threats to burn Korans harmed U.S. interests and our troops. This was not my "claim"--that is what General David Petraeus said, and he was referring to present day reality and the current situation in both the U.S. and in Afghanistan.

Stop digging up irrelevant garbage just so you have something to post. Your need for attention is rather sad. All you accomplish is trashing this thread.

This thread is about building a community center/mosque in lower Manhattan. I support that project. I have no objection to the Park Place location.

I have no bias toward Muslims, I do not believe the Muslim Americans behind the Park Place project have any connection to radical extremist terrorist groups. Muslims are entitled to freedom of worship in the U.S. They are also entitled to build community centers.

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NJ Mayor Blasts Ground Zero Imam
September 14, 2010 - 12:54 PM | by: David Lee Miller
The Mayor of Union City, New Jersey blasted the Imam who wants to build a mosque and community center two blocks from ground zero for being a “slumlord.”

At hastily called news conference Union City Mayor Brian Stack accused Imam Faisal Rauf of neglecting two apartment houses and ignoring numerous citations from the Union City’s Fire and Health Departments. Mayor Stack described the Imam as “unscrupulous” and questioned his statements about wanting to help people and build bridges while his own tenants were living in “shoddy conditions.”

The mayor made his remarks outside one of the buildings owned by the Imam. On Wednesday, the city goes to court seeking to have a custodial receiver take over management of the properties. Mayor Stack said although the violations go back years, the city felt compelled to put a custodial receiver in charge of the property after the fire alarm system failed at the building located at 2206 Central Avenue. Residents at the second building owned by the Imam remain displaced because of a fire two years ago.

The mayor said the Imam was among the worst landlords in Union City and that the lawsuit had nothing to do with the controversy associated with the project the Imam wants to build in lower Manhattan. When asked to give advice to New York the Mayor warned, “any town where he (Imam Rauf) buys property, be alert, because he is not a good landlord.”

Both the Imam and his wife were not available to comment

Read more: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/09/14/nj-mayor-blasts-ground-zero-imam/#ixzz0zWucEnPU

I am aware that it is not PC to talk about how this Imam is a minor slum lord.....in New Jersey. I maintain that it is an indication of his character, it is yet another sign that his smooth talk and sometimes nice sounding words are BS. This guy who can't get an apartment building renovated in two years can however handle a $100 million project in NYC?

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@BillRM,

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Sorry I said nothing about what was there was before the Shah in Iran.

But you are defending the US support of the Shah because you imply he was better than what came afterwards and ignore that he was significantly worse than what came before. The US was directly responsible for bringing him to power. Sure, he didn't single out women for abuse since he was an equal opportunity abuser, but that doesn't excuse the US for overthrowing the previous government.

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@hawkeye10,

hawk, Is being a slum lord illegal in this country? Are there whites in that business? No, only Muslims, right? You're one ignorant SOB.

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@firefly,

The good general did not address the results of burning others holy books it was your claims on this threads that the results would be the same or similar to the burning the Koran.

And the issue is the Muslims as peaceful as all other major faith groups as you and others had claims at the same time posting how fearful the good general is of violent from these peaceful people if we do not allow the Mosque to be build where they wish it to be.

So are the Muslims peaceful or are they willing and likely to kill US troops if they do not get their ways concerning the Mosque they can not be both at the same time.

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@engineer,

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But you are defending the US support of the Shah because you imply he was better than what came afterwards

The facts are he and his government was far far far better then the current government.

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@cicerone imposter,

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hawk, Is being a slum lord illegal in this country? Are there whites in that business? No, only Muslims, right? You're one ignorant SOB

It reflects on his character and competence, which you know damn well. You are just playing dumb.

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@hawkeye10,

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This guy who can't get an apartment building renovated in two years can however handle a $100 million project in NYC?

That's totally unrelated to whether he can go ahead with his project on Park Place, despite some public opposition.

If you doubt his business and organizational skills, don't invest in the project.

I wonder how many real estate developers in NYC could pass a "character test"--do any others have to?

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@firefly,

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If you doubt his business and organizational skills, don't invest in the project

I am not investing, and I am exercising my Constitutional right to encourage others not to invest, and in the process explaining my reasoning. But then you have a huge problem with individual self expression when what is being expressed does not meet with your approval, don't you.....

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@BillRM,

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But you are defending the US support of the Shah because you imply he was better than what came afterwards

The facts are he and his government was far far far better then the current government.

You convienently left off the second half of my sentence you quoted above.

engineer wrote:

... and ignore that he was significantly worse than what came before.

The US sponsored the overthrow of a democratically elected, secular government for a brutal dictator and you say that is fine because he was better than the brutal theocracy that came after that?

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@hawkeye10,

What do you know about his character and competence? Have you done an in-depth study of the man? Please provide the evidence that his character is worse than the average American?

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@cicerone imposter,

If we don't demand proof of competence and character from others who erect buildings in NYC, there is no reason to even bring up this issue with regard to Imam Rauf.

Hawkeye already admitted he is bigoted regarding Muslims. He doesn't want that mosque built. So, he'll grasp at any straws to support his prejudiced position.

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@hawkeye10,

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hawk, Is being a slum lord illegal in this country? Are there whites in that business? No, only Muslims, right? You're one ignorant SOB
It reflects on his character and competence, which you know damn well. You are just playing dumb.

so slum lord bad, corporate book cooker good, interesting moral choices you make

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@engineer,

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The US sponsored the overthrow of a democratically elected, secular government for a brutal dictator and you say that is fine because he was better than the brutal theocracy that came after that?

So the US government past actions are forcing the current Iran government to stone their women to death or change the fact that Iran women half the population of that country were far better off under the Shah?

It ok for those poor religion nuts to act the way they do because of past actions of the US is that your position?

Guess in that case the the only moral thing to do is to invade them and place a free democrate government back in power over the dead bodies of these religion nuts.

I assume that what you would wish us now to do as you surely would not wish us to sit back and watch all those killings you are claimings are all our fault.

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@BillRM,

Wow. You are a sick ****. The incident happened in 2006 it involved a 13 year old boy and a 15 year old boy who were expelled for their behaviour.

There were no riots, and here's the story as it appeared in the newspapers at the time:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/are-we-burning-muslim-bridges/story-e6frfhqf-1111112670144

I am absolutely appalled that you would post this without any fact checking. Double your analyst's danger money. Now.

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@BillRM,

Firefly is right. I was trying to imagine what your motivation for posting this stuff was, none of the conclusions came up with you having any sort of intelligence, using your logic a buddhist could espouse christianity as lunacy because the Nazi's were christians. But it is about attention isn't it? Or some weird attempted face-saving? 'I'm not really out of line, they're all debils I tell you!'

I'm thinking it's click time for you too.

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@hingehead,

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Wow. You are a sick ****. The incident happened in 2006 it involved a 13 year old boy and a 15 year old boy who were expelled for their behaviour.

What does it matter about numbers as a nut with just 25 followers in Florida was about to set off a world wide reaction with threaten riots and attacks on our troops. Not all that bigger of a matter then a few teenagers doing similar acts

Second how about the second posting where hundreds of Muslims in a mob it would seem took part in burning out a whole Christian religion sec that been in that area in Pakistan for a few hundreds years and their bibles and whole churches burned out.

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@BillRM,

WTF does this have to do with the Mosque in question?

Nothing. At all. Are you just looking for some sort of justification for your anti-Muslim bigotry? Why not just be honest about it and lay the blame with yourself, instead of pretending that it was somehow forced on you?

Cycloptichorn

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@BillRM,

Why are you talking about Pakistan?> This is about the USA, and "our" laws. We can't control what other countries do with their laws. Are you emotionally attached to Pakistan too!

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