Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

For JRM: Definition for terrorist.
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ter·ror·ism
/ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun

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1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

Fits the US like a glove; if it looks like a pig, and honks like a pig, it must be a pig.

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2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

How many countries have we terrorized? Count me the ways.

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3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Let's start with Libya, Sumalia, Vietnam, Sudan, Yemen, Iraq, and now Afghanistan.

Unless you can accept the fact that the US is a terrorist nation by our own history, you'll never understand what terrorism is about.

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@cicerone imposter,

It a damn shame that we can not send such US haters to some parallel universe where the Nazis and the Japanese Empire rule the World or where the USSR was not stop and they rule the planet.

The human race owe the US and the US people one hell of a lot of kisses on the rear ends just for that.

Not to mention that most of the technology develop in the last hundred and twenty years or so came from the US.

In fact the whiners and haters would not even have an internet to whine and hate on.

Hell no electric power system, no solid state electronic even if there was a power system without Edison and on and on and on we go.

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@BillRM,

Thank you for your frank admission that the USA is a terrorist nation, Bill. You are clearly every bit as bright as you appear.

You can't point to the good guys to absolve the war criminals of their crimes. The USA was there, front and center, holding the Germans, the Japanese, and others to account for their crimes against humanity.

Neither the Germans or the Japanese were dumb enough to think that the contributions made by other citizens was enough to give a free pass to the war criminals?

Why would a bright guy like you think that was a logical response?

Why the hypocrisy, the duplicity? Doesn't this go against everything America is supposed to stand for?

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@BillRM,

After reading your first paragraph, I came to the conclusion that you're a bigoted ignoramus with little to offer on this topic.

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Shocking news of a dastardly confession! Sad

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And I'm also a proud American citizen. Let no one forget that. I vote in elections. I pay taxes. I pledge allegiance to the flag. And I'm a Giants fan. (Laughter.) I'm glad they won yesterday.

A Conversation with Feisal Abdul Rauf
Speaker: Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Chairman, Cordoba Initiative
Presider: Richard N. Haass, President, Council on Foreign Relations
September 13, 2010, New York
Council on Foreign Relations

http://www.cfr.org/publication/22940/conversation_with_feisal_abdul_rauf.html?cid=rss-fullfeed-a_conversation_with__feisal_ab-091310

This statement proves that he's a terrorist. If he was a real American patriot then he'd be a Patriots' fan! Surprised

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@BillRM,

On a different thread I said,

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Maybe I'm fortunate, but I don't know a single person who has ever said, "We are the saviors of the oppressed, we are the greatest country ever, we do no wrong". I've lived here my entire life and I've never heard that said once.

Apologies to JTT. I stand corrected.

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@JTT,

Why are you still using the internet the produce of an evil nation of war criminals military?

I would suggest that being a moral person if you think that the US is evil from it founding keep going only by the evil deeds of war criminals you would not wish to benefit in any way from such evilness.

By taking the benefits, you and everyone else that does so are now also part of the “crimes” of the evil US.

Similar to taking your share of the gold out of the holocaust victims teethes from the Nazis.

In any case, you cannot make the argument that the US is evil as you come into the court of public opinion with dirty hands.

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@BillRM,

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Name one group of Christian terrorists that control a nation state

the Catholic church and Vatican City, they sure terrorized a lot of little boys and girls

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I haven't followed this whole thing so sorry if this has already been posted. I thought it was well said.

Rev. Donna Schaper wrote:

New York City neighbors welcome the Cordoba Center near Ground Zero
By Rev. Donna Schaper, September 10, 2010

We are somewhat astonished that so many outsiders are trying to outshout our welcome, with language that is hateful and un-American.

I’m a neighbor of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, and I strongly believe we should support his Islamic community center near Ground Zero.

That's just the intro, whole thing here:

http://www.progressive.org/mpschaper091010.html

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@JPB,

Sure we had done wrongs but we are still the greatest nation in the history of the world with the possible exception of Rome.

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@djjd62,

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the Catholic church and Vatican City, they sure terrorized a lot of little boys and girls

LOL..............

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@JPB,

JPB wrote:

On a different thread I said,

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Maybe I'm fortunate, but I don't know a single person who has ever said, "We are the saviors of the oppressed, we are the greatest country ever, we do no wrong". I've lived here my entire life and I've never heard that said once.

Apologies to JTT. I stand corrected.

Just to prove you wrong, I just said those sentences out loud. I didn't mean what I said but I said it out loud so that you can't write this statement as a matter of fact.

If you want, I could record it so you can hear the actual words spoken. Razz

I have never heard these words spoken before but I'm surprised you have never heard the sentiment. Me thinks you wear ear plugs or hang out with only like minded individuals.

Over the several decades of my life, I have heard this sentiment time and time again. It's a tad jingoistic but it's a much more widely held belief than how you're portraying it.

I think it could also be a generational thing. This sentiment being held by conservative Baby Boomers who worshiped and memorized every word uttered by Ronald Reagen.

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@tsarstepan,

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I think it could also be a generational thing. This sentiment being held by conservative Baby Boomers who worshiped and memorized every word uttered by Ronald Reagen.

I love his movies also with special note of "Bed Time for Bonzo".

Only a great people would dare to made an actor who produce such a movie their leader.

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@sozobe,

Nice piece, sozobe.

(I hope that reads okay in the US Smile

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@cicerone imposter,

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After reading your first paragraph, I came to the conclusion that you're a bigoted ignoramus with little to offer on this topic.

How true however in the land of the brain dead the bigoted ignoramus is king.

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@McTag,

McT, As all of us have already observed, we still have ignorant bigots who don't even live in NYC who know how to shout their obscenities.

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@cicerone imposter,

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No, it's not. Your mixing apples and oranges; just doesn't work that way.

Can you explain to me why that is so? Saying it doesn't work isn't a validation that what I said is apples and oranges. Show me where that is the case.

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@cicerone imposter,

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McT, As all of us have already observed, we still have ignorant bigots who don't even live in NYC who know how to shout their obscenities

So you are claiming that only New Yorkers are stakeholders in Ground Zero?

Kind of similar, I would think to claiming that only Hawaiians are stakeholders in Pearl Harbor.

In any case, thank you for helping proved my comment concerning the brain dead on this thread beyond question.

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@firefly,

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Whoever suggested that must be unfamiliar with the separation of church and state.

The government cannot fund or build a religious institution.

It would be so helpful if you would at least take the time to google before you speak

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The Muslim center planned near the site of the World Trade Center attack could qualify for tax-free financing, a spokesman for City Comptroller John Liu said on Friday, and Liu is willing to consider approving the public subsidy.
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The mosque's backers hope to raise a total of $70 million in tax-exempt debt to build the center, according to the New York Times. Tax laws allow such funding for religiously affiliated non-profits if they can prove the facility will benefit the general public and their religious activities are funded separately.

The bonds could be issued through a local development corporation created for this purpose, experts said

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67Q5BW20100827

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Newsweek, the Washington Post's former progressive stepchild, published an op-ed by Fareed Zakaria, the in-house lapdog for the Administration, extolling the virtues of building the Ground Zero Mosque. A couple of sentences demand a great deal more explanation.

To that end, early in its tenure the Bush administration began a serious effort to seek out and support moderate Islam. Since then, Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world.

We should be encouraging groups like the one behind this project, not demonizing them. Were this mosque being built in a foreign city, chances are that the U.S. government would be funding it.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/newsweek_columnist_says_us_fun.html

And you know that the Imam just took a two month field trip at our expense, because you were earlier trying to claim how great that is, that our Government has given this guy its seal of approval.

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@BillRM,

So when was the last time that Hawaiians asked the nation to settle a zoning question in the Pearl Harbor vicinity?

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