Mosque to be Built Near Ground Zero

@BillRM,

We use to have the same thoughts about our country as well as most all of our leaders were radical christians.

@reasoning logic,

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We use to have the same thoughts about our country as well as most all of our leaders were radical christians.

I suggest you might find it interesting to do research on the founding fathers beginning with Jefferson.

A lot of them was not Christians of any kind less alone radical Christians.

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@BillRM,

Sorry I did use the wrong word! Most should have been , some or at least one. I was not thinking of only presidents when I was thinking of leaders.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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A lot of them was not Christians of any kind less alone radical Christians.

Please share this info with okie. He doesn't listen to us.

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@hawkeye10,

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dumbest people in this land are wickedly book smart,

The problem with that position without a firm understanding of history from books people can sell you all kind of nonsense such as the US were found by god fearing Christians.

Or without understand of science from books to know that solar cells/winds can not replaced coal in powering the country or…………..

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye, the reason you can post, "facts not in evidence" is because you have no facts and you disregard the verifiable facts I have posted.

The facts "are in evidence" regarding the blatantly untrue things you posted about Iman Rauf. Everyone here can read what you said about him in your post--he's a "loner", no record of accomplishment, or experience handling a project, except "being a slum lord..in New Jersey". You posted those things, you can't deny that. You also can't back those statements up.

I gave you accurate information about Iman Rauf, and about his past experiences handling multi-million dollar Muslim enterprises in NYC, his service as a Middle East emissary on religious affairs with the U. S. State Department under both Bush and Obama, and your reply, to that is, "facts not in evidence"? You are able to read, aren't you? I gave you the "facts". Rauf, in fact, just returned from his State Department sponsored trip to the Middle East.

One fact is abundantly in evidence--you don't know what you are talking about--you are woefully misinformed and uninformed. That's clear to anyone who reads your posts. And you can't deal with it when someone challenges you to back up your statements and assertions with factual sources.

"Facts not in evidence" sums up the depth of your thinking on this issue.

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@reasoning logic,

Sorry it was not only the founding fathers who became presidents that was not Christians Thomas Paine came to mind who wrote a very anti-bible book by the name of the "Age of Reason" when he was in prison in France during the French Revolution period.

The book can be found online by a google search.

The founding fathers respect and pattern our government using the model of the non-Christian early Rome Republic if anything.

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@BillRM,

Thanks for sharing as I am not in tune with the history of american government and I did use the wrong word as I was thinking of our last president when I made the comment. But I do think you for all the info that you share with us as long as you try to stay close to the truth.

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@firefly,

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Everyone here can read what you said about him in your post--he's a "loner", no record of accomplishment, or experience handling a project, except "being a slum lord..in New Jersey". You posted those things, you can't deny that. You also can't back those statements up.

Unless someone cares to dispute Wikipedia it is good enough for me. If someone want to do so I am ready to roll.

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I gave you accurate information about Iman Rauf, and about his past experiences handling multi-million dollar Muslim enterprises in NYC

Says who? Not wiki, you talk about his dad as if that matters. What exactly has he handled? Cordoba was set up a long time ago but it has been primarily a empty shell. He is so without support that he had to go on the government dole to do his last speaking tour, and this was not the first time either. I dont think that an Iman takes money from the US Government to fund his work unless he has to, because he knows going in that this blows his credibility. I take this as evidence that he is destitute, not as a positive like you do. I take the same facts you do, but I interpret them differently, I do not as you say ignore the facts nor am I ignorant of the facts to the best of my knowledge. If you ever present some facts that I was not previously aware of that changes my opinion I will let you know though.

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye am I the only one who find it strange that a woman who live and breathe women rights issues is so pro having a religion center build of a faith that have a long sad history up to the current day of mistreating their women?

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@BillRM,

The long sad history is that in our country we have people like you who are too ignorant to know better. Most Muslim countries live in peace and harmony - unlike the US.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Most Muslim countries live in peace and harmony - unlike the US.

Peace and harmony strange as most of the dying is between the Sunni and the Shi`a a civil war that been ongoing for a thousand years at least on and off.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Your assuming that moderate Muslim leaders
are behind the violence perpetrated against innocent people.

You're dumb as a rock.

For a long time, I held that opinion,
but then Bill subsequently posted some things that showed
this to be in error; I misjudged him. He was not as stupid as I believed.

He later posted other things with which I strongly disagreed.

Bill is smarter than a rock.

David

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@BillRM,

So how many Sunni and Shia have been at war of the 1.6 billion Muslims?

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Resolved Question

Why don't people understand the majority of muslims are peaceful?
and that bin laden doesn't represent all of us? and that women are not oppresed (atleast not in american and non muslim countries) and that our men don't controll us. and that the koran says that women shouldn't have to do work(clean, cook, take care of the kids)... but its a blessing if they do. and that men and women are equal.. in different ways,.. and that muslim extremist in muslim countries aren't mainstream(or the majority) muslims... and to stop using culture as an example of islam.. and that muslim countries miss interpret the quran.. A LOT!

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Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
Peaceful muslims don't makes the news.
Source(s):
Atheist.

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It's that simple.

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@cicerone imposter,

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So how many Sunni and Shia have been at war of the 1.6 billion Muslims?

I do not know off hand however the Iran-Iraq war kill 1.7 millions alone but I guess by your way of thinking as long as it not 10s of millions it no big deal with 1.6 billions.

The long and short of it is they have a long long history of being far from peaceful in fact the very first time the US needed to project military power half way around the world were way back under the Jefferson administration to deal with a peaceful group of Muslins.

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@BillRM,

That was two countries at war. FYI, we had the Civil War in the US.

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@cicerone imposter,

They was two "peaceful" Muslin countries at war however and it is you who are claiming that Muslins countries are peaceful in some strange manner.

Even when hardly a day go by where Muslin body parts do not end up flying through the air by means of others Muslin bombs.

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@BillRM,

They do remind me of the old ways of our abrahamic faith! or am I wrong?

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@cicerone imposter,

Oh how did I forget to bring up the peaceful Muslin population of Paris riots not that long ago.

Yes Muslins have a wonderful history of being peaceful not.

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@reasoning logic,

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They do remind me of the old ways of our abrahamic faith! or am I wrong?

YES...NO........AND SOMEWHAT....

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