The Lack Of Healthcare Coverage

Being generous and helping your felloe human is one thing, being forced to by the government is quite another.

crack face( strange as that name is)

So much for freedom of speech , somebody makes a post you don't like and you whine " shut it down"

well I am for national health care, and I am willing to tell everybody that opposes it that they are less than human.

Tell it to God one day when you meet him at the judgement that you want people to die for lack of health care because you have no feelings for your fellow man.

Bet your one of those anti abortion nuts too. Get the kid born , then who cares if it dies! What a stupid world view.

How very human of you.

Sure you want to go on the record with that? It seems I ruffle some feathers around here.

Wow, you really have a crazy view on healthcare. The worst part of your post is you telling someone that God will judge them for not believing in socialized medicine! I am a Pediatric Intensive Care Unit RN and I take care of injured and dying kids every day I go to work.....and I do NOT believe in socialized medicine. Think about what you post.

I hate to say it but you are one Bible Thumper that is going to get a big surprise yourself.

God will also judge those who abuse their bodies, who are too darn lazy to support themselves, who takes from others without giving back, who has sex and then kills the unborn child, who takes advantage of "the system"...

I wish you would just make your arguments with your own reasoning instead of calling down the wrath of God on all those who don't agree with you. Who are you to judge us?

Why is our view stupid? Again I repeat, who are you to judge?

Brain sol,

How about the human being who has a bout with cancer , looses their job and can no longer get health care?

How about the accident victim, who gets injured looses their job and cannot get health care?

How about all those working for $8- $10 a hour who cannot afford health care.

Your attitude shows a couple of things.

A- you are clue less and uneducated about the needs that befall real human beings through no fault of their own.

OR

B- You are totally selfish and don't give a crap about anybody but your yourself.

I suspect its both you are uninformed about this problem, don't give a crap about anybody else.

Biz kit

All my views are directly linked to my belief in God.

As are mine.

My youngest son in a Orthopedic Surgeon and my daughter is a pharmacist , along with a sister who's a radiologist and several cousins who are doctors. So what's your point?

The point is that you sounded very judgemental yourself against anyone not believing in socialized medicine.

Family gatherings at my house find us non medical people asking the medical professionals in my family to speak lay medicine please! :p We talk about this often, and I can tell you all agree something has to be done , the system is out of whack badly and all of my family would like to see care for adults who need it say because they got down sized and came up with heart disease while uninsured.

I want all people to have health coverage...believe me. Just because I work with children dosen't mean that I am not familiar with adult healthcare as well. I have older family members just like you I'm sure....and my husband is an adult ICU nurse. I do not think that the healthcare system is what it needs to be, thats for sure. I do not believe that socialized medicine is the answer. I also don't think that working Americans should have to pay for their healthcare as well as everyone elses. I think that the total manipulation of the medical lawsuit industry has helped to ruin some aspects of healthcare. Drs have to pay more for their own malpractice insurance now due to all of the crazy lawsuits that have come about in the past. What is the solution you ask??? I don't know, if I did I would be a very rich girl and not working 12 hour shifts thats for sure. I do know that its not the socialism of the healthcare industry....can you imagine waiting your turn for surgery??


You know very well being a health care professional Bizkit that they would get minimal care unless and until they got on social security disability .

Social Security IS minimal care.... and also a farce. I know for a fact that there are people who receive SS that DO NOT DESERVE IT! They lie and claim mental issues..and problems with their "nerves" and receive money that I work hard for! Im all for the people that deserve the help receiving it....but only if they deserve it.

You should also know bizkit that many die of illness before they can get on social security disability. And kids are a differnt story as you well know bizkit. We have programs in this country that will not deny a child life saving treatment. But as soon as they turn 18 / presto tough luck.

So bizkit , I will go right on giving my very studied biblical prospective that being against any human being getting health care, even if they cannot pay for it ; is not the principles of the bible as set down by Christ.


I too believe in taking care of our sick...I mean I am in healthcare! But as I said before, I should not have to pay for those who take advantage of my good work record.

You didn't say bizkit if you are a christian or not.

To answer your question, Yes I am a Christian and was raised in the Church. My devotion to God is the number one thing in my life...coming first before family or country.


But to those that are: Not doing everything you can to help a person when they need it is WRONG. The bible says so. And you do not get to judge if they are lazy, or stupid and deserve to be in the sad shape they find themselves in.

Remember christians only Christ gets to judge.

Let's try to not turn this into a religious debate... i don't think faith plays into this thread. More so, it's a question of ethics and personal morale.


now, onto my rebuttal


COBRA plan. it's been in place for years. if you leave a job, you have the option to buy into it.


that's what lawyers are for. your personal health insurance won't pay a dime for an accident if you call the right people.

they can. they simply need to restructure and re-think their finances.
I had healthcare available to me when i was 16 making 4.50 an hour (at the time, minimum wage)



so, it's NOT their fault they have a crappy job?
Is it mine? no.

It's their own damn fault for skipping school, dropping out, not paying attention, and reading at the 2nd grade level in high school. Learning disability my ass. THEY JUST DONT CARE BECAUSE THEY KNOW I WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM. And it's bull****.

I went to public schools my whole life and do not hold a college degree. EVERYONE IN AMERICA HAS HAD THE SAME OPPORTUNITY I HAVE HAD. I'm 27 and am the Senior developer at my firm, 2nd in line only to my boss, who is the owner.
What i do for a living, i taught my self. I learned how to code in various languages by getting off my ass and doing something and learning something, and now, i'm quite possibly one of the most desired employee in my field in my area. I've interviewed 50 people this year for my company to work under me, and we finally got one who was decent... not great.... but decent. Every single one of them had a college degree, and i was able to stump them on some of the simplest questions. By rule, these college educated people and people MUCH older than me should have years of experience i could only wish for at my age.

I'm no prodigy. I didn't even own a computer until 2000. Here we are 7 years later, and i can code circles around almost anyone.

On top of my normal 9-5, I own about 30 websites that I actively post on, maintain, run, and guess what, this is one of them. I work 16-18 hours a day, every day, and have for many years. I haven't been on vacation in 6 years. Last year i took 2 days off. This year to date, i've taken none.

So at the end of the year, when I bring home my 6-figure income, and lose $36,000 to social programs, i'm pissed. Because i'm the furthest thing from lazy, I have to help those who are. and it annoys the hell out of me.

I'm awaiting to "ohhh, but you don't need all that" line. Sure. I could live on much less. But, I shouldn't have to. I worked my ass off for it, and it's mine. Why should i give it away?

I'm far from inhumane. I've organized and helped raised over $5,000 over the years (b16 and silver can vouch) on my honda board for annual x-mass drives to food share, and when a member of the honda board passed away from lymphoma last year, we raised close to $800 for a donation to the research fund in his name.

Everytime, I was the top contributor.

I gave because I WANTED to. Not because I am FORCED to.



I'm VERY free with my money. Last week, I picked up a $480 bill when 4 of my g/f's friends and her and I went out to dinner and drinks downtown. And this was the first time i met them. I paid anyway. Because I wanted to. And the waiter got a $100 tip.
I always tip well... most the time over 30%. Why? because they WORKED for it.

If you want my money, do something for me. ANYTHING.

you're a bum? don't just sit there with your hand out. go get a harmonica and play me a song as i walk by. I'll drop some cash in your hat for the 30 seconds of entertainment.
Hell, I spent about an hour down in DC watching 3 homeless black dudes playing crazy hip hop beats on trash bins and barrells. I was throughly entertained, and i left a 20 in their bucket when we moved on.

Sit there and beg me? piss off.



I think i've maid my points. I care about plenty of people. But I don't care about those who are able to help themselves and don't.... because 'big brother' will help them.

Sorry, condecending attitudes carry absolutely 0 sway to me. If you want to be forced to help everyone else pay for healthcare, you are free to move to one of the many countries that have such systems in place. Fortunately, this isn't one of them.

Well said my friend, I could'nt agree with you more!!!!!!

Nice M3 by the way.

Brian codes like a meth addicted monkey, and still can't spell "made".

This IS the American way.

Let's try to not turn this into a religious debate... i don't think faith plays into this thread. More so, it's a question of ethics and personal morale.


now, onto my rebuttal


COBRA plan. it's been in place for years. if you leave a job, you have the option to buy into it.

Cobra plans are for a limited time only, most set 6-12 months and then it is unavailable. The cost is high during the allowable purchase persiod. So Brian what are they supposed to do if they can afford the $800 - $1000 a month for the year and then it runs out and is no longer available to them?


that's what lawyers are for. your personal health insurance won't pay a dime for an accident if you call the right people.

they can. they simply need to restructure and re-think their finances.
I had healthcare available to me when i was 16 making 4.50 an hour (at the time, minimum wage)



so, it's NOT their fault they have a crappy job?
Is it mine? no.

This country made everything we purchased for the last 100 years. Sure you could buy a cheap product made in another country, but most preferred american quality products. Now we make nothing in this country. Go shopping. Try to find american made toys, clothing, appliances, its impossible everything is made in other countries. It might if we're lucky get assembled here in the USA. Along with the jobs disappearing , is the opportunity for americans to get better jobs and make their own lives better and purchase the insurance you speak of Brian. Mark my words we are headed for a record breaking rrecession over the next five years. Tell me then when nobody is working you think its their own fault.It's their own damn fault for skipping school, dropping out, not paying attention, and reading at the 2nd grade level in high school. Learning disability my ass. THEY JUST DONT CARE BECAUSE THEY KNOW I WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM. And it's bull****.

The public school system is a mess. Given that I would say it's not totally their fault. I see charter schools working where they expect something of the kids and parental participation in the school. The system is in need of a over haul and until that happens , there except for the grace of God go you or I brian.

I went to public schools my whole life and do not hold a college degree. EVERYONE IN AMERICA HAS HAD THE SAME OPPORTUNITY I HAVE HAD. I'm 27 and am the Senior developer at my firm, 2nd in line only to my boss, who is the owner.
What i do for a living, i taught my self. I learned how to code in various languages by getting off my ass and doing something and learning something, and now, i'm quite possibly one of the most desired employee in my field in my area. I've interviewed 50 people this year for my company to work under me, and we finally got one who was decent... not great.... but decent. Every single one of them had a college degree, and i was able to stump them on some of the simplest questions. By rule, these college educated people and people MUCH older than me should have years of experience i could only wish for at my age.

I'm no prodigy. I didn't even own a computer until 2000. Here we are 7 years later, and i can code circles around almost anyone.

On top of my normal 9-5, I own about 30 websites that I actively post on, maintain, run, and guess what, this is one of them. I work 16-18 hours a day, every day, and have for many years. I haven't been on vacation in 6 years. Last year i took 2 days off. This year to date, i've taken none.

So at the end of the year, when I bring home my 6-figure income, and lose $36,000 to social programs, i'm pissed. Because i'm the furthest thing from lazy, I have to help those who are. and it annoys the hell out of me.

I'm awaiting to "ohhh, but you don't need all that" line. Sure. I could live on much less. But, I shouldn't have to. I worked my ass off for it, and it's mine. Why should i give it away?

I'm far from inhumane. I've organized and helped raised over $5,000 over the years (b16 and silver can vouch) on my honda board for annual x-mass drives to food share, and when a member of the honda board passed away from lymphoma last year, we raised close to $800 for a donation to the research fund in his name.

Everytime, I was the top contributor.

I gave because I WANTED to. Not because I am FORCED to.



I'm VERY free with my money. Last week, I picked up a $480 bill when 4 of my g/f's friends and her and I went out to dinner and drinks downtown. And this was the first time i met them. I paid anyway. Because I wanted to. And the waiter got a $100 tip.
I always tip well... most the time over 30%. Why? because they WORKED for it.

If you want my money, do something for me. ANYTHING.

you're a bum? don't just sit there with your hand out. go get a harmonica and play me a song as i walk by. I'll drop some cash in your hat for the 30 seconds of entertainment.
Hell, I spent about an hour down in DC watching 3 homeless black dudes playing crazy hip hop beats on trash bins and barrells. I was throughly entertained, and i left a 20 in their bucket when we moved on.

Sit there and beg me? piss off.



I think i've maid my points. I care about plenty of people. But I don't care about those who are able to help themselves and don't.... because 'big brother' will help them.

I reallly think a large percentage of those who heavily favor social programs are actually the least generous people who actually need the government to force it from their hands. And somehow this clears their conscious and makes them feel caring and generous. Can you say fat cat John Edwards!!!

Want some stats for this theory? A recent study listed the most generous and the least generous states based on per capita charitable giving. Here are the top 2 and bottom 2:

1. Mississippi (red state, less support for socialism)
2. Arkansas (red state, see Mississippi)
.....
49. Rhode Island (blue state, more support for socialism)
50. New Hampshire (blue state, see Rhode Island)