Republican Idaho Senator arrested in ariport

I accept her, just not her lifestyle. It's much the same as if I had a child with a drug habit. I would still love her but not allow her to use drugs in my presence.

I have a very loving relationship with this daughter. We speak or see each other almost every day. Probably better than most relationships. She just knows that I cannot accept her choices. You can always love a child but not love what they do.

Her new found sexuality destroyed two family units (and marriages of 15 or more years) and left 7 kids wondering what the heck happened to their moms. They are ones that have to suffer the consquences of their decisions. Yes, it might be bad if it would have been a hetersexual relationship, but this adds a little more bewilderment to the whole situation.

Sens. Norm Coleman (R-MN) and John McCain (R-AZ) have become the first members of the Senate to call for Sen. Larry Craig (R-ID) to resign over his arrest for alleged “lewd conduct” in an airport bathroom. Craig, who was arrested in June, pled guilty to “disorderly conduct” charges on August 8, though the plea was kept secret until Roll Call newspaper broke the story on Monday.

The AP reports, “Sen. Norm Coleman of Minnesota, where Craig was arrested, became the first Senate Republican to say Craig should leave office. ‘Senator Craig pled guilty to a crime involving conduct unbecoming a senator,’ he said in a statement. ‘He should resign.’

How do you think it is for me, a gay man, and I see a boy and a girl, or a woman and a man, lip-locked, on a city bus, or in a mall...acting like it's ok to be vulgar and obvious, in public? Why not get a hotel room, because that's what it looks like you should be doing. No one should have to see public displays from anyone, straight or gay...but just because society considers it the norm, straights are not afraid to shove it in peoples' faces...because on some level it's acceptable.
There is such a thing as tact and decorum. And it's an equal opportunity device. AIDS is rampant in the heterosexual community, in case you didn't know....gay statistics are falling.
I don't believe in promiscuity...and contrary to popular belief, some gay folks are faithful and devout in their committed relationships....just like some straight folks are.....a whole lot of straight folks aren't ...so lets be clear and fair.
And please stop with the patronization...."some of my best friends are"....
How cliche. get over yourselves.

Aaron,

No guilt trips for me! I have standards I live by. These standards include a moral code. Having an affair of any orientation isn't something I agree with. If your relationship is bad, get out of it and then go sleep around if you must.

Being gay is against my moral code as well. It's the same as abortion. These are things I personally disagree with. I do not go around town carrying signs against it. I do not shun those people around me who are involved with these things. And I do not or will not encourage or condone it.

The family unit is a strong principle in my moral makeup. Both of these things destroy or inhibit the growth of family units within society.

As for my relationship with my daughter - well we just had lunch together. When she was going through her "changes" we talked at length. Often times in tears. She understood from the beginning that it would not be a relationship that would be acceptable by the family. It's wasn't even the idea of her being gay, it was the idea of leaving three children and a wonderful husband (who was broken hearted) for an abusive, possessive, mean-spirited person. Like one other daughter said, "We wouldn't have accepted this from a man, why should we accept it from this woman?"

If she would have come to the realization she was gay in the beginning it would have been an extremely hard situation for our family but we would have accepted it and her partner. But, we still wouldn't have agreed with it or condoned it. That goes against my principles and beliefs. Reassurance and understanding? For what? For doing something that I believe is morally wrong? Wouldn't I be a hypocrate if I did that?

Being gay is not like having a disability! It is a lifestyle CHOICE.

I like people for who they are, but I don't have to like them for their moral choices. I can like a fellow worker but I don't have to condone the fact that she falls into bed with every guy she meets.

Discovering who or what you really are? If you are born a man you are a man! Sorry, it's not like choosing a career!

Being gay is against your moral code....so, don't be gay. Abortion is against your moral code...don't have an abortion. But who you to tell someone else what is right for them.

but she never stopped loving or supporting me, when the truth came to light.

The issue was not about you.

Quite a shame that people that are instructed by their "religion" not to judge are the worst judgement offenders.



You mean she loves you UNCONDITIONALLY???

People can learn a lot from her.

I applaud her as well as you for your courage.

Peace.

Folks ought to just mind their own business, which they don't even do well, and get out of other folkses.

AaronFedup,

It's not my "religion" that instructs me on this. This is a personal matter that I have a right to accept or reject. I am not a brainwashed ninny that needs to be told what or what not to believe in. Why do I have to be forced to accept something that I don't want to? I don't believe in a welfare state and giving my tax dollars to lazy people. Are you going to tell me that my religion tells me to be that way? How droll of you...

My post you are referrencing was more toward a "general" audience and not targeted at you specifically. I'm sorry for any misunderstanding. You have posted in kindness to me in past posts and I respect that.

The battle you and aaron seem to be having has turned ugly and thats when communication breaks down, dividing human beings for having opposing points of view. Insults and witty put downs only produce hard feelings.

I agree on the battle thing. I stated an opinion and used a personal example. I guess I opened the door on that one but having personal experiences is how I have become the person I have.

I haven't attacked "him" yet... Hmmm..... What weapon should I use?

Tolerance...... Does that have one blade or two????

Aaron,

It is you who are small-minded because I gave my opinion and feelings on a subject - not a personal attack of any one person - and you blasted me! I can't voice my opinions??? Where's my free speech? If I sat you down and thumped you on the head and screamed them at you then you would have the right to call me small minded. Small minded because I don't agree with you? Who are you??? No one I care about!

I stand by my assertion. It was not an attack...it was commentary based on your beliefs...you're the one who initially "went off" on gays and their "lifestyles". No one is usurping your right to "free speech"...we both are entitled to our views...no matter what those views say about us as people.
I am me. That's who I am. Proud and not to be belittled or made to feel less than by the likes of you, holier than thou

I would bet you a million dollars that if you asked my daughter about me she would tell you that I am the best mom in the world. How often to do you call or go see your mom? I hear from each of my five kids each and every day. And, they are all grown with families of their own.

My mom passed away in 1989...and not a day goes by, that I don't think of her, or am not influenced by her example.

I didn't force my will on her. I just told her that her choices weren't acceptable to me. She still had the right to make up her own mind and go the direction that she chose. She is still very much in my life. That's also her choice. We just don't talk about her sex life!!! Now, that makes me a bad mother and she should distance herself??? When she needed surgery last year I was the person she wanted with her. As I was when she had each of her children, etc.

On the contrary, you have de facto, imposed your will on her...it's either your way or the highway. She is not free to make up her own mind, or go the direction she chooses...because you have made that a caveat.
Why she chooses to stay plugged in to you, is beyond me.



As far as how the community perceives me? I could care less about that. Yes, I am an active person that is well known in my community. I have never tried to hide the fact that my daughter's choices have made us all very sad. This because of how it has affected her children and wonderful son in law - who has since remarried but is still very much a part of our lives.

I sit with my daughter at football games, I go out with her to public resturants, I invite her to participate in community service activites, I take her shopping, etc. I'm not ashamed of her. She is a vibrant, well loved person and I am proud of her accomplishments. But, I am not proud of her leaving her family.

Really? If you're proud, you have a funny way of showing it...she should be privy to this forum...I doubt if she would be as proud of you, as you are of her

Only if it goes along with what you believe! I did not direct my original post to you. You jumped into my business with both left feet!