American United or AU inforcing seperation of church and state

Morals cannot be enforced.

So your against tolerance and you against womens rights and equality.

What do you see wrong with that. You don't have to condone homosexuality in your home but face it they are not going away and your child needs to be able to be "Civil" with them even if they grow up not believing it is an ok thing to do. All our schools are doing is teaching tolerance...not acceptance. Jesus loved homosexuals unconditionally sinning or not. He did not condone the behavior but he did tolerate it.

As for womens rights... what do you have to fear from a dominate women? Why can't a women have power and presidge? Why can't a women run the household? Me thinks men like you are afraid of sharing power and wish to have someone to belittle and order around.

Ego issues.

"Freedom of religion means any where on Gods green earth, Amen!!!"

I am sorry but if you started praying and spouting your christian stuff in the Islamic world you could be killed. So no you cannot have freedom of religion anywhere on the earth.

and sure you can have freedom of religion everywhere in American if you understand and accept the fact that Wiccans can practice witchcraft anywhere in the United States without you or anyone else persecuting them or Hindus...ect and so on.

exposing your children to other religious beliefs oh God how dreadful..and terrible it is to expand your childs mind.

Yes slaves were freed at one time in America and??? Where did these pepole get the concept that slavery was unacceptable??

THE BIBLE!!!

Yeah they can. That's what laws are for.

Is what you're doing wrong (ie harming somebody)? It's illegal.
Is what you're doing anything but wrong? I don't care.

EDIT: At least, that's the way it should be.

Actually, that's not what laws are for.

Laws are to protect people, and freedoms,

just because YOU think something is wrong, doesn't mean it is.

Laws are not made simply for the moral high ground.

Of course, that's the beauty of our system,

if where you live wants to ban porn, they can pass laws that ban porn,

if a state wants to legalize prostitution, they can, cool huh?

not just based on one set of beliefs, which is EXACTLY what the framers were trying to prevent.

It shouldn't be a choice. They shouldn't be allowed to illegalize it.

The framers were trying to establish a system in which the individual is free.

The Republocrats are trying to destroy this.

You don't make laws, you can elect officials that can, if you don't like it, vote. BUt till then guess what, it is.

Real republicans are trying to restore America to it rightful self. Yes, the republicrats, RINOs, and neocons are destroying it.

That's not the issue. I'm saying they shouldn't be allowed to make it illegal. I'm so tired of the "vote, lol" bull****. The majority are the people forcing this on us, they're the ones being immoral.

No.

There are a few jewels like Tancredo and Paul, but there's no way in hell either of them are gonna win.

Yea, damn this whole democracy thing.

Of course they won't, not when people like you that call them "jewels" already discount them before trying, apathetic is pathetic.

Yeah, there's a reason our Founders jumped through hoops to make this a Republic, and not a Democracy.

That's because a Republic is better at securing freedom for the people.



What? Do you even know what "apathetic" means?

Sure do, someone that gives up before they even start. Your lack of concern about your beliefs leads to your giving up before you even try...apathetic is pathetic.

And giving up isn't apathy. Apathy is not caring. I care. That's why I'm a "pissed" libertarian.

Than do more to help his campaign instead of trashing your hope of the one candidate that is worth a ****. That is apathy, not caring enough to try. Even if the only place you help is on the net, whenever you can post his stance on issues, motivate people to think about their choice instead of getting their opinions from MSM. I think those "official scientific" polls that called what? a 1000 or so people, are going to find that when it matters he actually has a lot more support than he is given credit for, maybe not though, maybe everyone will just be apathetic, and go with the flow and have hteir minds made up for them by the media.

The really sad part is, he is the ONLY candidate that has been stead fast on every issue, even before he was running, all through his career he has maintained INTEGRITY. A word LONG forgotten among politicians.

Please quote where in the bible that it states that owning slaves is immoral or unethical.
People didn't stop owning slaves because the bible. People stopped owning slaves because of the civil rights movements and the civil war.

More quotes from our forfathers against a christian nation. I mean are you going to discredit all our forfathers. It is looking more and more like if you do not fully support the seperation of chruch and state you are not an American. Our foundations were based on the sepertation of church and state.

John Quincy Adams (1767-1848)Sixth President of the United States (1825-1829)

Civil liberty can be established on no foundation of human reason which will not at the same time demonstrate the right to religious freedom ... The tendency of the spirit of the age is strong toward religious liberty.
-- John Quincy Adams, letter to Richard Anderson, May 27, 1823

There is in the clergy of all Christian denominations a time-serving, cringing, subservient morality, as wide from the spirit of the gospel as it is from the intrepid assertion and vindication of truth.
-- John Quincy Adams, diary entry for May 27, 1838

Wilson: Early Presidents Not Religious

"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington; Adams; Jefferson; Madison; Monroe; Adams; Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity....
"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."
-- The Reverend Doctor Bird Wilson, an Episcopal minister in Albany, New York, in a sermon preached in October, 1831, first sentence quoted in John E Remsberg, "Six Historic Americans," second sentence quoted in Paul F Boller, George Washington & Religion, pp. 14-15

Samuel Adams (1722-1803)
American Revolutionary leader whose agitations spurred Bostonians toward rebellion against British occupation and rule
In regard to religion, mutual toleration in the different professions thereof is what all good and candid minds in all ages have ever practiced, and both by precept and example inculcated on mankind ...
-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists (1771)

It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.
-- Samuel Adams (attributed: source unknown)

James Madison (1751-1836)
The fourth President of the United States (1809-1817)


Check our Big List of James Madison Quotations
Every new and successful example of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance.
-- James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822.

t is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties.
-- James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assemby, 1785, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief

I have ever regarded the freedom of religious opinions and worship as equally belonging to every sect.
-- James Madison, letter to Mordecai Noah, May 15, 1818, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

Because the bill in reserving a certain parcel of land in the United States for the use of said Baptist Church comprises a principle and a precedent for the appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that "Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment."
-- James Madison, veto message, February 28, 1811. Madison vetoed a bill granting public lands to a Baptist Church in Mississippi Territory. Quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?
-- James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assemby, 1785

During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. Enquire of the Teachers of Christianity for the ages in which it appeared in its greatest lustre; those of every sect, point to the ages prior to its incorporation with Civil policy.
-- James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, addressed to the Virginia General Assemby, 1785

Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of mischievous projects.
-- James Madison, letter to Bradford, January 1774, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

The purpose of separation ... &c.
-- Please Note: The quote that once lived here was moved to our "Phony James Madison Quotations" feature. -- the editors

Torrents of blood have been spilt in the world in vain attempts of the secular arm to extinguish religious discord, by proscribing all differences in religious opinions.
-- James Madison, from Joseph L Blau, Cornerstones of Religious Freedom in America (1949) p. 85, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom

Religion flourishes in greater purity without than with the aid of government.
-- James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822, quoted from Albert J Menendez and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom



James Monroe (1758-1831)
The fifth President of the United States (1817-1825)

The Abolitionist Movement was strongly Christian.

Yeah they can. That's what laws are for.

Is what you're doing wrong (ie harming somebody)? It's illegal.
Is what you're doing anything but wrong? I don't care.

EDIT: At least, that's the way it should be.

Aside from your slight against Nancy Pelosi (I can already tell, you're "agenda-laden"). Clue. Morals cannot be enforced. People either have them or they don't. One man's ceiling is another man's floor. What may be right for you, may not be right for me. Who is to say?
That's like saying, churches can prevent "sinning". Everyone sins, even unintentionally...funny that people like to think that "their sins" are so much more palatable than "others' sins.(There goes that "self-righteous" judging)
Last time I checked, God was in control and in the judgement seat....not you, or anyone else. Why don't you and others leave it up to God to disperse "judgement"?...because one day, we will know, who lived up to His standard, and who didn't. It's written..." the first shall be last, and the last first"...I wouldn't be so smug, were I you. Respectfully.