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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2009 03:34 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63716 wrote:
this does not address my points.


It actually addresses each of your points. Look again.
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2009 03:42 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;63971 wrote:
It actually addresses each of your points. Look again.
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2009 04:00 am
@Volunteer,
The following quote you use regularly (shown below) is incomplete and taken out of context.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas jefferson"

The full quote:
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789. ME 7:300

The context is his discussion of loyalty to a political party.

When using a quote you should use it in its entirety or show that part of it is missing by using "..." at the end or in place of the missing portion of the quote.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2009 03:23 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;63973 wrote:
The following quote you use regularly (shown below) is incomplete and taken out of context.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.
-Thomas jefferson"

The full quote:
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789. ME 7:300

The context is his discussion of loyalty to a political party.

When using a quote you should use it in its entirety or show that part of it is missing by using "..." at the end or in place of the missing portion of the quote.


How is that out of context? It still means the same thing. :dunno:


"If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."

here he is saying if he had to choose a side in order to go to heaven, he'd rather not go at all....how is this in contradiction with my quote? It is in agreement with my quote.
xexon
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2009 05:02 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;10211 wrote:



Zionism in any form must be stomped on.

You're bringing into the world the very thing you've been warned about. A one world government.

If you expect me to bend a knee to it, you better bring a sledgehammer.

I want no part of your religion or your government. You're both infected with the world.




x
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 09:37 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;63994 wrote:
How is that out of context? It still means the same thing. :dunno:


"If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."

here he is saying if he had to choose a side in order to go to heaven, he'd rather not go at all....how is this in contradiction with my quote? It is in agreement with my quote.


Sorry, I thought your quote implied that Jefferson had a problem with religion.
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 09:39 am
@xexon,
xexon;64002 wrote:
Zionism in any form must be stomped on.

You're bringing into the world the very thing you've been warned about. A one world government.

If you expect me to bend a knee to it, you better bring a sledgehammer.

I want no part of your religion or your government. You're both infected with the world.

x


You are making some pretty big leaps with that limping logic.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 10:03 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;64179 wrote:
Sorry, I thought your quote implied that Jefferson had a problem with religion.


Jefferson himself was part of a religion, but his thought is that each person should come to their own conclusions on each subject instead of falling back on the opinions of whatever group you belong to whether in politics, religion, or philosophy.
xexon
 
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Reply Sat 21 Feb, 2009 11:28 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;64180 wrote:
You are making some pretty big leaps with that limping logic.



You need to understand something about me. I have no allegiances.

Not to "God". Not to country. Not to one religion over another. Not to skin color. Not to political party.

Harpoons don't stick in me. Understand?

If I'm calling attention to a problem in the world, it's because I'm trying to act on behalf of humanity as a whole, rather than a specialized group.

If you're causing your brothers and sisters grief, you should avoid me. I don't care who you are.

No fear.

Title means nothing to me.




x
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 11:19 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;64182 wrote:
Jefferson himself was part of a religion, but his thought is that each person should come to their own conclusions on each subject instead of falling back on the opinions of whatever group you belong to whether in politics, religion, or philosophy.


Roger that.
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 11:28 am
@xexon,
xexon;64185 wrote:
You need to understand something about me. I have no allegiances.

Not to "God". Not to country. Not to one religion over another. Not to skin color. Not to political party.

Harpoons don't stick in me. Understand?

If I'm calling attention to a problem in the world, it's because I'm trying to act on behalf of humanity as a whole, rather than a specialized group.

If you're causing your brothers and sisters grief, you should avoid me. I don't care who you are.

No fear.

Title means nothing to me.

x


If you have no allegiances except to call attention to problems without proposing a solution, then you are part of the problem(s) that you rage so loudly about.

It's easy to snipe. It's hard to analyze a problem or challenge and determine and put into action methods for addressing or resolving the issue.

Only wanting to point at a problem and tell someone else they are wrong while refusing to become part of the/a solution is cowardice.
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 11:33 am
@xexon,
xexon;64185 wrote:
You need to understand something about me. I have no allegiances.

Not to "God". Not to country. Not to one religion over another. Not to skin color. Not to political party.

Harpoons don't stick in me. Understand?

If I'm calling attention to a problem in the world, it's because I'm trying to act on behalf of humanity as a whole, rather than a specialized group.

If you're causing your brothers and sisters grief, you should avoid me. I don't care who you are.

No fear.

Title means nothing to me.

x


To paraphrase Shakespeare, you protest too much.

Actually, you do have an allegiance. Your allegiance is to the idea that Jews and Christians are bad. You seem to idolize this ideal.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sun 22 Feb, 2009 11:55 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;64209 wrote:
If you have no allegiances except to call attention to problems without proposing a solution, then you are part of the problem(s) that you rage so loudly about.

It's easy to snipe. It's hard to analyze a problem or challenge and determine and put into action methods for addressing or resolving the issue.

Only wanting to point at a problem and tell someone else they are wrong while refusing to become part of the/a solution is cowardice.


A rallying cry must be heard before something can be done.
xexon
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2009 01:04 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;64209 wrote:
If you have no allegiances except to call attention to problems without proposing a solution, then you are part of the problem(s) that you rage so loudly about.

It's easy to snipe. It's hard to analyze a problem or challenge and determine and put into action methods for addressing or resolving the issue.

Only wanting to point at a problem and tell someone else they are wrong while refusing to become part of the/a solution is cowardice.




This isn't my world, it's yours. I don't have alot of involvement in the world like other people.

You've made the messes in it, not I. But as long as I'm passing through, I'm going to bring to your attention the causes. People have a terrible time with cause and effect. I specialize in it.

You haven't heard proposals from me because I haven't talked about them yet.

You see, as a spiritual person, I already know this world cannot be reformed. That would defeat it's purpose as a place of learning. It's a bad place for a reason. What needs polishing in the human animal requires a hard rubbing.

The best I can do for you here is offer advice how to keep yourself illiminated despite the darkness.

Ultimately, this world is just a passing show. You shouldn't take it too seriously. But you do need to pass the tests.



x
Numpty
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2009 01:13 am
@xexon,
xexon;64235 wrote:
This isn't my world, it's yours. I don't have alot of involvement in the world like other people.

You've made the messes in it, not I. But as long as I'm passing through, I'm going to bring to your attention the causes. People have a terrible time with cause and effect. I specialize in it.

You haven't heard proposals from me because I haven't talked about them yet.

You see, as a spiritual person, I already know this world cannot be reformed. That would defeat it's purpose as a place of learning. It's a bad place for a reason. What needs polishing in the human animal requires a hard rubbing.

The best I can do for you here is offer advice how to keep yourself illiminated despite the darkness.

Ultimately, this world is just a passing show. You shouldn't take it too seriously. But you do need to pass the tests.



x


Now that is some self righteous clap trap. Good view up their is it looking down on everyone?

Once again those with spirituallity bring forth their ideas as if it is the absolute truth, with no evidence to back it up with.

Funny thing is I have never encountered two people of religion or spirituallty who interprut what they believe in the same way. Funny don't You think, of the Billions out there, everyone has there own idea of what faith and spirituallity is. Strange, I would have thought the magic man in the sky would have made it the same for everyone.
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2009 03:40 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;64211 wrote:
A rallying cry must be heard before something can be done.


In the military there is a thing called raising the BS flag. I'm raising it.

The need for a rallying cry implies the battle is already in progress and people in the conflict are disorganized with effort not applied to the most critical areas to create mass. This means something is being done and those who are not helping to create mass need to reassess their effort and apply it where it is needed to acheive victory. The goals are already defined at this point. Having defined goals means work has been accomplished/done.
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2009 03:43 am
@Numpty,
I've stated elsewhere on this forum that truth is always individual at the human level. Its not that I'm better than anyone else as you suggest, just different. In the same way an adult is different from a child.

Minds and bodies have differences. The spirit is the same in all. Until you break the chokehold the mind has on spiritual expression, you have no choice but to deal with the world on a mental level.

It's your "default" setting. You have to work to move beyond it. Most are too involved in their human lives of family and career to give it that much time. I've been able to pursue it because I've structured my life accordingly. This was more important to me than getting married, having kids, or having a bunch of degrees on the wall behind me telling the world how big my brain is.

If I'm commenting on something political, I do so out of compassion. In the case of zionism or any of the other political movements, I demonstrate the lack of compassion people have for their fellow man.

Compassionate people would never behave in such a way to begin with, so the answer to many of the world's problems is the cultivation of compassion, not power.

Groups like this bible party are not spiritual entities. They're after power like all the rest.



x
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2009 03:43 am
@xexon,
xexon;64235 wrote:
This isn't my world, it's yours. I don't have alot of involvement in the world like other people.

You've made the messes in it, not I. But as long as I'm passing through, I'm going to bring to your attention the causes. People have a terrible time with cause and effect. I specialize in it.

You haven't heard proposals from me because I haven't talked about them yet.

You see, as a spiritual person, I already know this world cannot be reformed. That would defeat it's purpose as a place of learning. It's a bad place for a reason. What needs polishing in the human animal requires a hard rubbing.

The best I can do for you here is offer advice how to keep yourself illiminated despite the darkness.

Ultimately, this world is just a passing show. You shouldn't take it too seriously. But you do need to pass the tests.
x


If you are such an erethral being, then you wouldn't be able to type on the keyboard or use an audible input device to send the text in your post. Thiis is another occasion for the BS flag. BS=Buck Shot.
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xexon
 
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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2009 03:48 am
@Volunteer,
You mean etheric?

I'm as flesh and blood as you are. It's not things on the outside that change as one matures spiritually. It's on the inside.

The door opens inwardly. Not out into this world.

That, would be the wrong direction



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Reply Mon 23 Feb, 2009 03:50 am
@xexon,
xexon;64240 wrote:

Groups like this bible party are not spiritual entities. They're after power like all the rest.


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