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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 03:11 pm
@markx15,
markx15;12303 wrote:
I am not naive enough to believe that I could keep such concentration and commitment, after a while you will not know who you are, there is no night and day in war, only action and inaction, you can guess which one gets you killed.


Inaction is action, both can get you killed.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 03:44 pm
@Volunteer,
"And a question for you Pinochet, do you have any ideas as to where you would install a "pure" christian state?"

Northlands. The cold tends to keep people busy surviving.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 03:47 pm
@Volunteer,
".....after a while you will not know who you are, there is no night and day in war, only action and inaction...."

I could easily kill Jim Jong Il, for example, without losing a minute's sleep. I could blow away Hugo Chavez, Castro, Ahmadinejad, OBL, and a host of other EVIL bastards without forgetting who I am, in a heartbeat.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 03:54 pm
@Pinochet73,
Volunteer,

That was written by Paul. Paul didn't know Jesus. He converted after Jesus died. Yes, he was an important Christian, but he wasn't Jesus, nor even one of the original apostles. I don't view his theological work as the foundation of Christianity. It's part of that foundation, but only a part. Luther went way too far in developing a new, Bible-based theology, stemming from his inappropriate isolation of a narrow slice of Pauline theology. Luther insisted the Bible was the only source of religious authority, yet he ignored those parts of the New Testament that offset Paul, such as The Book of James. Luther, the father of Bible Christianity, felt no obligation to be rational or honest in his scholarship. He based everything on the Bible, yet hated and ignored much of it. He was illogical, and driven by personal demons.
markx15
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 04:14 pm
@Volunteer,
Quote:
Inaction is action, both can get you killed.


Yes they both can kill, but will you know when it is worth more to stop? Will you in a battle frenzy be able o distinguish who is who? If you want to phisically fight an ideology you have to kill not the figure heads nor the soldiers, but the men who posses two things knowledge enough to convince rational people into believing in a cause, and the carisma to draw masses. If you want to end this violent trend of Islam, don't kill the common terrorist, nor OBL, kill the men responsible for propagating this, men who are even in the USA. Due to corrupt politicians and religious fanatics the common middle eastern society does not recieve a full education(I define as full the freedom to pursue any subject), therefore they are not responsible for the violent interpretations, many are unable to read, not everyone has the qualifications for leadership, and without a head the body dies.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 05:16 pm
@markx15,
markx15;12315 wrote:
Yes they both can kill, but will you know when it is worth more to stop? Will you in a battle frenzy be able o distinguish who is who? If you want to phisically fight an ideology you have to kill not the figure heads nor the soldiers, but the men who posses two things knowledge enough to convince rational people into believing in a cause, and the carisma to draw masses. If you want to end this violent trend of Islam, don't kill the common terrorist, nor OBL, kill the men responsible for propagating this, men who are even in the USA. Due to corrupt politicians and religious fanatics the common middle eastern society does not recieve a full education(I define as full the freedom to pursue any subject), therefore they are not responsible for the violent interpretations, many are unable to read, not everyone has the qualifications for leadership, and without a head the body dies.


Clarification: I wasn't speaking of the same line of action as P-73. I was speaking from a personal perspective with the action being directed toward me. My inaction is action. My inaction could get me or those I love killed. Bottom line: That death, if my loved ones are not saved, could be eternal.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 24 Mar, 2007 07:12 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;12313 wrote:
Volunteer,

That was written by Paul. Paul didn't know Jesus. He converted after Jesus died. Yes, he was an important Christian, but he wasn't Jesus, nor even one of the original apostles. I don't view his theological work as the foundation of Christianity. It's part of that foundation, but only a part. Luther went way too far in developing a new, Bible-based theology, stemming from his inappropriate isolation of a narrow slice of Pauline theology. Luther insisted the Bible was the only source of religious authority, yet he ignored those parts of the New Testament that offset Paul, such as The Book of James. Luther, the father of Bible Christianity, felt no obligation to be rational or honest in his scholarship. He based everything on the Bible, yet hated and ignored much of it. He was illogical, and driven by personal demons.


Pinochet73,

I wasn't talking about Martin Luther. As far as I know he wasn't around till well after the Biblical canon was approved by the Church.

How about John? If Jews are not retained as part of the vine or tree, what does the following mean?

Revelation 7, “After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, restraining the four winds of the earth so that no wind could blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel rise up from the east, who had the seal of the living God. He cried out in a loud voice to the four angels who were empowered to harm the earth and the sea: "Don't harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we seal the slaves of our God on their foreheads."

And I heard the number of those who were sealed:
144,000 sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
12,000 sealed from the tribe of Judah,
12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,
12,000 from the tribe of Gad,

12,000 from the tribe of Asher,
12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali,
12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,

12,000 from the tribe of Simeon,
12,000 from the tribe of Levi,
12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,

12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun,
12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,
12,000 sealed from the tribe of Benjamin.”

Where do Messianic Jews fit in your framework? Aren't we called to be light and salt, to call others out of darkness?

1 Peter 4:7-11, “Now the end of all things is near; therefore, be clear-headed and disciplined for prayer. Above all, keep your love for one another at full strength, since love covers a multitude of sins. Be hospitable to one another without complaining. Based on the gift they have received, everyone should use it to serve others, as good managers of the varied grace of God. If anyone speaks, [his speech should be] like the oracles of God; if anyone serves, [his service should be] from the strength God provides, so that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To Him belong the glory and the power forever and ever. Amen.”

2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord does not delay His promise, as some understand delay, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance."
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 11:21 am
@Volunteer,
Because of the comprehensive nature of the canon as established by the Catholic Church around AD 390, I could probably find a quote from the Bible that directly refutes every quote you've painstakingly posted here. The Bible is not a reliable source concerning the accuracy or validity of the Bible. If I told you I am a genius, you'd require verification from other sources besides myself, right?
Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 11:26 am
@Pinochet73,
Very Happy
Pinochet73;12328 wrote:
Because of the comprehensive nature of the canon as established by the Catholic Church around AD 390, I could probably find a quote from the Bible that directly refutes every quote you've painstakingly posted here. The Bible is not a reliable source concerning the accuracy or validity of the Bible. If I told you I am a genius, you'd require verification from other sources besides myself, right?


No, I'd believe you implicitly.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 11:29 am
@Volunteer,
:patriot: Bible Party site just got a face lift.

Check it out at Bible Party of the United States of America.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 12:53 pm
@Volunteer,
Hey, how'd I get to be a senior member?:dunno:
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 03:38 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;12332 wrote:
Hey, how'd I get to be a senior member?:dunno:
Post count, you are officially over one hundred. Congrats, a feat few obtain, LOL. That makes you 19th in line for post count.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 07:20 pm
@Volunteer,
"No, I'd believe you implicitly."

You shouldn't. That's a dangerous practice.:scratchchin:
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 07:22 pm
@Volunteer,
Adrenaline,

I don't get your avatar. I spent 20 years in the Army, and didn't find it easy, at all. What's the Geico Cave Man doing there?:scratchchin:
Drnaline
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 10:05 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;12348 wrote:
Adrenaline,

I don't get your avatar. I spent 20 years in the Army, and didn't find it easy, at all. What's the Geico Cave Man doing there?:scratchchin:
As with the rest of the commercials, nothing in this life is easy. That goes for Cavemen too. I mean no disrespect. Sorry if i offend. My wife works for the Guard and she loves the commercials. Somebody sent this to her and she passed it on.
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 04:36 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;12347 wrote:
"No, I'd believe you implicitly."

You shouldn't. That's a dangerous practice.:scratchchin:


I was being facetious.

Actually, your objections to the Bible as a reliable conveyance of God's Word are all over the map. Based on your various arguments, it seems you just make it up as you go.
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 05:03 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;12348 wrote:
Adrenaline,

I don't get your avatar. I spent 20 years in the Army, and didn't find it easy, at all.


What was your MOS?
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 05:10 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;12328 wrote:
Because of the comprehensive nature of the canon as established by the Catholic Church around AD 390, I could probably find a quote from the Bible that directly refutes every quote you've painstakingly posted here.


It's easy to quote out of context. It's easy to find words in a 1100-1200 page document that covers all of creation that seem to prove whatever position you wish them to prove. However, that tactic can only be effective if the person you convey the words to has not actually read the Bible with an open mind and considered the context and thread of intent that flows through the entire Word.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 08:16 pm
@Volunteer,
"It's easy to quote out of context."

So, your context is the only context? Anyone who can read and think can have his own context. What about the context prescribed by the people who gave you the New Testament, e.g., the Catholic Church? Something tells me yours doesn't match theirs, yet you speak of proper context.

I'll think for myself. :headbang:

On a lighter note......I was in intelligence.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 08:20 pm
@Volunteer,
I feel sorry for our soldiers. They're fighting their tails off, while the homefront is falling apart. America's election of Hillary and Obama will constitute a massive betrayal. We're headed for a 1960's flashback. It might even be worse this time.
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