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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 08:49 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;61866 wrote:
If you have read the Declaration of Independence then you are either deliberately ignoring the wording or have not attempted to understand those portions that relate directly to the Christian basis of our country's founding.

I believe we've been through this discussion before, but if you'd like, we can walk through it again.


creator = god of Abraham??? :dunno:
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Reply Fri 24 Oct, 2008 08:16 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61869 wrote:
creator = god of Abraham??? :dunno:


The creator is God. There is only one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel.

What else would you surmise the signers of the Declaration of Independence meant?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 25 Oct, 2008 01:08 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;61912 wrote:
The creator is God. There is only one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel.

What else would you surmise the signers of the Declaration of Independence meant?


OMG!? Are you really this delusional?

There is only one god......ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE! But we are not talking about the bible, we are talking about the founding fathers, which of course i have established already that some of them do not follow or believe the bible. Virtually every religion has a creator god, and the founding fathers allowed people to interpret this "creator" according to each person's own religion. If you are Hindu they were talking about Brahma, if you're Jewish they were talking about Yahweh, if your Muslim they were talking about Allah and so forth...The foundering father's where all about FREEDOM OF RELIGION, they weren't trying to impose one religion on people, that would undermine the principal they were trying to establish.

creator means something different to different people. You are oblivious to the fact they other people have their own perceptions.
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:27 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61939 wrote:
OMG!? Are you really this delusional?

There is only one god......ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE! But we are not talking about the bible, we are talking about the founding fathers, which of course i have established already that some of them do not follow or believe the bible. Virtually every religion has a creator god, and the founding fathers allowed people to interpret this "creator" according to each person's own religion. If you are Hindu they were talking about Brahma, if you're Jewish they were talking about Yahweh, if your Muslim they were talking about Allah and so forth...The foundering father's where all about FREEDOM OF RELIGION, they weren't trying to impose one religion on people, that would undermine the principal they were trying to establish.

creator means something different to different people. You are oblivious to the fact they other people have their own perceptions.


How many Hindus were in the colonies at the time of the US revolution, Muslim, any religion other than Christian or Jewish?
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:31 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61939 wrote:
OMG!? Are you really this delusional?

There is only one god......ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE! But we are not talking about the bible, we are talking about the founding fathers, which of course i have established already that some of them do not follow or believe the bible. Virtually every religion has a creator god, and the founding fathers allowed people to interpret this "creator" according to each person's own religion. If you are Hindu they were talking about Brahma, if you're Jewish they were talking about Yahweh, if your Muslim they were talking about Allah and so forth...The foundering father's where all about FREEDOM OF RELIGION, they weren't trying to impose one religion on people, that would undermine the principal they were trying to establish.

creator means something different to different people. You are oblivious to the fact they other people have their own perceptions.


"In Middle English “Divine Providence” means the foreknowing and beneficent care and government of God; divine direction, control, or guidance ME." Page 1696, The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Oxford at the Clarendon Press, Oxford University Press, 1973.

From the Declaration of Independence IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776. Emphasis added.

"THE UNANIMOUS DECLARATION of the thirteen united STATES OF AMERICA,...
And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

John Hancock
Benj. Harrison
Lewis Morris
Button Gwinnett
Thos. Nelson, Jr.
Richd. Stockton
Lyman Hall
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Jno. Witherspoon
Geo. Walton
Carter Braxton
Fras. Hopkinson
Wm. Hooper
Robt. Morris
John Hart
Joseph Hewes
Benjamin Rush
Abra. Clark
John Penn
Benj. Franklin
Josiah Bartlett
Edward Rutledge
John Morton
Wm. Whipple
Thos. Heyward, Jr.
Geo. Clymer
Saml. Adams
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Jas. Smith
John Adams
Arthur Middleton
Geo. Taylor
Robt. Treat Paine
Samuel Chase
James Wilson
Elbridge Gerry
Wm. Paca
Geo. Ross
Step. Hopkins
Thos. Stone
Caesar Rodney
William Ellery
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Geo. Read
Roger Sherman
Tho. M: Kean
Sam. Huntington
George Wythe
Wm. Floyd
Wm. Williams
Richard Henry Lee
Phil. Livingston
Oliver Wolcott
Th. Jefferson
Frans. Lewis
Matthew Thornton"
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 12:51 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61939 wrote:
OMG!? Are you really this delusional?

There is only one god......ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE! But we are not talking about the bible, we are talking about the founding fathers, which of course i have established already that some of them do not follow or believe the bible. Virtually every religion has a creator god, and the founding fathers allowed people to interpret this "creator" according to each person's own religion. If you are Hindu they were talking about Brahma, if you're Jewish they were talking about Yahweh, if your Muslim they were talking about Allah and so forth...The foundering father's where all about FREEDOM OF RELIGION, they weren't trying to impose one religion on people, that would undermine the principal they were trying to establish.

creator means something different to different people. You are oblivious to the fact they other people have their own perceptions.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:06 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;61965 wrote:
How many Hindus were in the colonies at the time of the US revolution, Muslim, any religion other than Christian or Jewish?


Not many? But does it matter? Some of the founding fathers believe simply in a creator a god but not in any specific one, which is why they wrote "creator" and not "Yahweh" in the declaration of independence! If they were specifically talking about the abrahamic god they would've said so. But they didn't want to impose religious views on anyone.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:10 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;61966 wrote:


Divine providence could apply to any religion or to non-religious theism. YET AGAIN you have failed to show me how this country was founded specifically on christian principals.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:15 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61968 wrote:
Not many? But does it matter? Some of the founding fathers believe simply in a creator a god but not in any specific one, which is why they wrote "creator" and not "Yahweh" in the declaration of independence! If they were specifically talking about the abrahamic god they would've said so. But they didn't want to impose religious views on anyone.


Yes it matters. For your assertion to be true there would need to be a mind-set prevalent among the founding fathers that considered religions other than those who accepted the Bible, the Word of God.

Your assertion ignores the laws and society in which the founding fathers drafted the Declaration and Constitution. While it was legal in the colonies to worship God (the God of the Bible) as you saw fit, it was not legal to practice witchcraft or other forms of religion prevalent outside western civilization. Stating that this is not factual shows ignorance or is a deliberate a lie.
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:18 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61969 wrote:
Divine providence could apply to any religion or to non-religious theism. YET AGAIN you have failed to show me how this country was founded specifically on christian principals.


I don't need to show you. You can determine it all by your lonesome.

Here's how. Read the Bible and examine western history then do a comparison contrast between the values of western civilization (Judeo-Christian) and those of the rest of the world.
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:22 am
@Volunteer,
Fatal,

Are you in Highschool or College?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:23 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;61967 wrote:
Washington and ReligionFounding Fathers were primarily Deists, Holmes says | University Relations
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Mon 27 Oct, 2008 01:27 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;61971 wrote:
I don't need to show you. You can determine it all by your lonesome.

Here's how. Read the Bible and examine western history then do a comparison contrast between the values of western civilization (Judeo-Christian) and those of the rest of the world.


Sorry, you're gonna have to do better than that. If you want to start a political party based on a notion it is your duty to make sure that notion is well founded on fact.
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 07:55 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;61974 wrote:
Sorry, you're gonna have to do better than that. If you want to start a political party based on a notion it is your duty to make sure that notion is well founded on fact.


Are you a prospective member of the Bible Party of the USA?
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 07:56 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;61972 wrote:
Fatal,

Are you in Highschool or College?


Request an answer.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 08:45 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;62058 wrote:
Request an answer.


sorry i must have missed that one.

But i have to ask what the relevancy is? :dunno:
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 08:47 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;62057 wrote:
Are you a prospective member of the Bible Party of the USA?


y?

may i ask.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:08 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;62060 wrote:
sorry i must have missed that one.

But i have to ask what the relevancy is? :dunno:


I have posted my age on my profile. You have not. You seem to want to discuss this topic. Discussion is communication. A good communicator analyzes their audience and adapts their delivery to that audience to improve communication. Age is one important factor in that analysis.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2008 09:12 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;62061 wrote:
y?

may i ask.


Of course you may ask. I can also ask why you ask. Then, we can continue to ask why the other person is asking until one gets tired and answers the question with intrepidity.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2008 01:15 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;62063 wrote:
I have posted my age on my profile. You have not. You seem to want to discuss this topic. Discussion is communication. A good communicator analyzes their audience and adapts their delivery to that audience to improve communication. Age is one important factor in that analysis.



There is a reason i don't have my age posted, and i like to keep it that way. It makes no difference to this or any other conversation. Lest it be used against me in ad hominems or it sways someone's opinion of my thoughts. Nor do i want to know your age, because i don't want my opinion of you to change based on some non-factor. Remember you are not trying to discredit me you are trying to discredit my arguments.
 

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