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oleo
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 11:44 am
@Volunteer,
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
on the Christian Religion - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the
laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have
entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is
declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever
produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
- President John Adams, in the Treaty with Tripoli

(Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the
United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic.
Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072).
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 12:06 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;26441 wrote:
There were a handful of deists among them. Two happened to be very important -- Franklin and Jefferson. Their fame created the myth that our Founders were predominantly non-Christian.


Jefferson was a Christian. Probably a Unitarian.
oleo
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 12:13 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;26467 wrote:
Jefferson was a Christian. Probably a Unitarian.


Unitarians weren't Christians, they rejected the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus.

Like all of them, it isn't that simple.

The religion of Thomas Jefferson, third U.S. President
Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 01:48 pm
@oleo,
oleo;26458 wrote:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
on the Christian Religion - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the
laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have
entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is
declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever
produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
- President John Adams, in the Treaty with Tripoli

(Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the
United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic.
Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072).


This is exactly why we need a party composed of people who pledge to honor God's Word first and not compromise with evil.

The statement you provide was a lie to compromise and facilitate foreign policy and relations with an Islamic government. It was meant to sooth the feathers of the barbarians so our country could walk away from a war.

The only way to wage war is as a total effort. Anything less is a waste of blood and resources.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 01:50 pm
@oleo,
oleo;26470 wrote:
Unitarians weren't Christians, they rejected the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus.

Like all of them, it isn't that simple.

The religion of Thomas Jefferson, third U.S. President


But he himself claimed to be a follower of Christ.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 01:59 pm
@Volunteer,
Only God can say what is in the heart and mind of each person. Oleo, do you believe you are God?
oleo
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 05:24 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;26500 wrote:
Only God can say what is in the heart and mind of each person. Oleo, do you believe you are God?


No, not at all. Do you? You seem to be saying what's in their hearts and minds,
as much as you would accuse me of doing.
oleo
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 05:25 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;26497 wrote:
But he himself claimed to be a follower of Christ.


I'm a follower of the teachings of Jesus, and an atheist.
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oleo
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 06:05 am
@oleo,
I would like to say, though, that if these are the views you truly need to
base your political voice upon, then you are very much right for joining or
starting this party!

I sincerely believe politicians in both of the major parties are not honest
about their personal religious beliefs, and use religion as a political tool
to gain power. I'm sickened by that. I might disagree with you, but here's
to actually practicing what you preach.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 08:39 am
@Volunteer,
Okay, so do you have a problem with religious people being involved in politics and basing their views on their religion?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:32 am
@oleo,
oleo;26458 wrote:
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
on the Christian Religion - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the
laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have
entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is
declared by the parties that no pretext arrising from religious opinions shall ever
produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
- President John Adams, in the Treaty with Tripoli

(Charles I. Bevans, ed. Treaties and Other International Agreements of the
United States of America 1776-1949. Vol. 11: Philippines-United Arab Republic.
Washington D.C.: Department of State Publications, 1974, p. 1072).
Who says it was founded "on" Christians, it was founded "by" Christians. I think you have the two confused?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:33 am
@oleo,
oleo;26470 wrote:
Unitarians weren't Christians, they rejected the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus.

Like all of them, it isn't that simple.

The religion of Thomas Jefferson, third U.S. President
You seem to concentrate your effort with only a few, what about the other fifty signers?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 07:37 am
@oleo,
oleo;26537 wrote:
I would like to say, though, that if these are the views you truly need to
base your political voice upon, then you are very much right for joining or
starting this party!

I sincerely believe politicians in both of the major parties are not honest
about their personal religious beliefs, and use religion as a political tool
to gain power. I'm sickened by that. I might disagree with you, but here's
to actually practicing what you preach.
Well said Oleo. About being honest, why is it most if not all politicians claim some sort of faith, and in comparison i would say the same held true for are forfathers as well.
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TrueAmerican
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 03:28 pm
@Tulip cv,
Tulip;10273 wrote:
l say you shouldn't mix business with pleasure, and likewise, you shouldn't mix religion with politics....


It was religion that founded this country. The reason this country has gone to hell in a hay basket is because we have left from the motives our country started with. George Washington said "You can't have national morality apart from religious principals" and it's true. If you look at political party's views, they are founded on their own religious beliefs. So how can you sit there and say we should seperate church and government?
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 06:09 pm
@oleo,
oleo;26535 wrote:
No, not at all. Do you? You seem to be saying what's in their hearts and minds, as much as you would accuse me of doing.

oleo;26536 wrote:
I'm a follower of the teachings of Jesus, and an atheist.


OK, then I understand why some of your answers are nonsense. If you are an atheist and believe you are a follower of the teachings of Jesus Christ, you are seriously deluded.

Yes, I believe in God. I believe that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel is the one and only true God.

5.3.3.3.1. We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty Maker of heaven and earth, the Maker of all that is, seen and unseen.
5.3.3.3.2. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only son of GOD, eternally begotten of the Father, GOD from GOD, Light from Light, true GOD from true GOD, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man.
5.3.3.3.3. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered death and was buried. On the third day He rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
5.3.3.3.4. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets.
5.3.3.3.5. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
5.3.3.3.6. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
5.3.3.3.7. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 06:11 pm
@oleo,
oleo;26537 wrote:
I would like to say, though, that if these are the views you truly need to base your political voice upon, then you are very much right for joining or starting this party!

I sincerely believe politicians in both of the major parties are not honest
about their personal religious beliefs, and use religion as a political tool
to gain power. I'm sickened by that. I might disagree with you, but here's
to actually practicing what you preach.


I agree with you about politicians in both parties being corrupt. That is why there is a need for this party.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2007 06:14 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;26548 wrote:
Okay, so do you have a problem with religious people being involved in politics and basing their views on their religion?


There you go Reagaknight! You are on the right track. Now send me an email at the Bible Party and volunteer to help get it organized.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 08:47 am
@Volunteer,
Now, Volunteer, I support your right to...er... Bible Party it up, but I think I'll stick with the GOP.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 04:34 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;26763 wrote:
Now, Volunteer, I support your right to...er... Bible Party it up, but I think I'll stick with the GOP.


Well, when you get tired of the corruption, the Bible Party will still be waiting for your assistance.
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oleo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Jul, 2007 05:47 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;26548 wrote:
Okay, so do you have a problem with religious people being involved in politics and basing their views on their religion?


It depends HOW they base their views, as pertains to their public service,
on their religion. Last time I checked there was one openly atheist office
holder in America at the moment, from Oregon or California, I believe.
Every one else claims to be religious.
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