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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
rhopper3
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2007 12:01 pm
@Volunteer,
Much of the belief we use to make democratic decisions are indeed based in our religious upbringing but basing your personal decisions on faith is much different than forcing them on others or crafting a government that touches the lives of everyone on written teachings that all do not or will not follow. If our form of democracy is to survive there must be no state religion...and you must be able to buy blenders on Sunday.......that was a joke....
markx15
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2007 11:03 am
@Volunteer,
Well said, I agree.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 08:38 am
@rhopper3,
rhopper3;11574 wrote:
Much of the belief we use to make democratic decisions are indeed based in our religious upbringing but basing your personal decisions on faith is much different than forcing them on others or crafting a government that touches the lives of everyone on written teachings that all do not or will not follow. If our form of democracy is to survive there must be no state religion...and you must be able to buy blenders on Sunday.......that was a joke....


Government is personal because it determines how and what you and your family can say and do. In many ways government determines what you think. It does this by allowing or encouraging propagation of modes and methods of thought. It does this by doing the same thing with content in our public fora like schools and public television.

Anytime someone tries to introduce Judeo-Christian values into the public arena, they are threatened with jail and financial ruin. This is discrimination. It is happening now. The only way to change it is to have Bible/Torah believing/honoring Christians and Jews voted into public office where they can exercise their votes to draft legislation to promote the Word of God or at the very least to eliminate discrimination against It.

This is what the secular humanists and atheists do with their religions now. Secular humanism is a religion. Atheism is a religion. These issues were decided by a US Federal Court, see the footnotes of the Bible Party Charter. We have a dual state religion now because the tenets of secular humanism and atheism are taught to our children and grandchildren in government run schools on a daily basis. These tenets are also being forced on us by the government's subsidy of organizations organizations dedicated to destroying the basic institutions that are the root of our country's foundation and strength. These organizations foster atheistic thought everyday with federal, state, and local government assistance. Judeo-Christian values are prohibited from being taught in the same forums. This makes secular humanism and atheism government protected and privileged religions.

The media aids this propagation by glorifying murder, theft, destruction, degradation, slavery, and other forms of evil because these subjects are sensational and the more sensational a subject, the more media can sell advertizing at a higher per minute cost and make a larger profit.

No wonder people think the Word of God should not be taught or promoted in the public arena. They've bought the sales job like brainless fish; hook, line, and sinker.

Why should Christians and Jews keep their values to themselves and out of the public domain? Why , if you are a Christian or Jew, would you want to? It seems those who want to restrict Christian and Jewish political participation are against the Word of God. Why should Christians and Jews stay out of the fight for the minds and souls of our children?
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 09:08 am
@markx15,
markx15;11599 wrote:
Well said, I agree.


Markx15, How many years have you lived in the United States of America? Have you been here long enough to meet the residency requirement for citizenship? If so, have you applied? If not, why not?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 09:40 am
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;11660 wrote:
Government is personal because it determines how and what you and your family can say and do. In many ways government determines what you think. It does this by allowing or encouraging propagation of modes and methods of thought. It does this by doing the same thing with content in our public fora like schools and public television.

Anytime someone tries to introduce Judeo-Christian values into the public arena, they are threatened with jail and financial ruin. This is discrimination. It is happening now. The only way to change it is to have Bible/Torah believing/honoring Christians and Jews voted into public office where they can exercise their votes to draft legislation to promote the Word of God or at the very least to eliminate discrimination against It.

This is what the secular humanists and atheists do with their religions now. Secular humanism is a religion. Atheism is a religion. These issues were decided by a US Federal Court, see the footnotes of the Bible Party Charter. We have a dual state religion now because the tenets of secular humanism and atheism are taught to our children and grandchildren in government run schools on a daily basis. These tenets are also being forced on us by the government's subsidy of organizations organizations dedicated to destroying the basic institutions that are the root of our country's foundation and strength. These organizations foster atheistic thought everyday with federal, state, and local government assistance. Judeo-Christian values are prohibited from being taught in the same forums. This makes secular humanism and atheism government protected and privileged religions.

The media aids this propagation by glorifying murder, theft, destruction, degradation, slavery, and other forms of evil because these subjects are sensational and the more sensational a subject, the more media can sell advertizing at a higher per minute cost and make a larger profit.

No wonder people think the Word of God should not be taught or promoted in the public arena. They've bought the sales job like brainless fish; hook, line, and sinker.

Why should Christians and Jews keep their values to themselves and out of the public domain? Why , if you are a Christian or Jew, would you want to? It seems those who want to restrict Christian and Jewish political participation are against the Word of God. Why should Christians and Jews stay out of the fight for the minds and souls of our children?
Excellent post.
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rhopper3
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:27 pm
@Volunteer,
If there is true discrmination in freedom of speech or religion against Christians or anyone else it must be ended. That is the truest liberal/progressive political position there is. However the moment you try to force your beliefs on anyone else by making religion a fact of public policy it stops being an issue of free speech or religion and becomes a political argument which our constitution and basic logic says you must lose.
We have a basic belief system much of which is indeed inspired by religious philosophy and a right to expect people to honor that societal belief system to a point. No one has the right to enforce their religious beliefs on anyone that is a decision to be made by each INDIVIDUAL
markx15
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 05:10 pm
@Volunteer,
I lived for 6 years in the USA, but now I am back in Brazil. Though I do plan on returning someday to the USA I can't say when.


Quote:
This is what the secular humanists and atheists do with their religions now. Secular humanism is a religion. Atheism is a religion. These issues were decided by a US Federal Court, see the footnotes of the Bible Party Charter. We have a dual state religion now because the tenets of secular humanism and atheism are taught to our children and grandchildren in government run schools on a daily basis. These tenets are also being forced on us by the government's subsidy of organizations organizations dedicated to destroying the basic institutions that are the root of our country's foundation and strength. These organizations foster atheistic thought everyday with federal, state, and local government assistance. Judeo-Christian values are prohibited from being taught in the same forums. This makes secular humanism and atheism government protected and privileged religions.


That is why large scale governments are unequal, it is not possible to represent the interests of 300 million through what 1000 men and women? It is democracy, and inevitable in this form of government. This goes on in nearly every issue, you are just exemplifing a rule, not an exception, it is not just Christianity that is under-represented.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 07:17 pm
@rhopper3,
rhopper3;11701 wrote:
If there is true discrmination in freedom of speech or religion against Christians or anyone else it must be ended. That is the truest liberal/progressive political position there is. However the moment you try to force your beliefs on anyone else by making religion a fact of public policy it stops being an issue of free speech or religion and becomes a political argument which our constitution and basic logic says you must lose.
We have a basic belief system much of which is indeed inspired by religious philosophy and a right to expect people to honor that societal belief system to a point. No one has the right to enforce their religious beliefs on anyone that is a decision to be made by each INDIVIDUAL


No need to yell. You are correct, forcing beliefs on others is bad.

Preventing someone from being able to express their belief is just as bad, with the exception of preventing expression that results in activity that is evil like creating the conditions for anarchy or slavery or actually allowing it to happen or commiting murder, etc....

The problem is someone who embraces evil doesn't want others to have the liberty to choose between good and evil, will always force their belief on someone else, and will attempt to eliminate the freedom to hear, learn, and live by God's Word. This is because they don't want to be reminded of their choice to sin. Hearing the Word of God spoken in the public arena by people who believe, reminds people who choose to sin of their guilt before God. This is why they try to eliminate God's Word from the public arena or prevent people from re-introducing it to the public.

This is happening in countries all over the world today. Christians are seen as threats to dictatorial state control. These dictators know the Christian's allegiance is to God, not to the current temporal ruler or to desires that can be manipulated. How close is your attitude toward Christians and Jews being in public office and voting according to God's Word to that of these dictators? Does it have the same root?
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 07:27 pm
@markx15,
markx15;11718 wrote:
I lived for 6 years in the USA, but now I am back in Brazil. Though I do plan on returning someday to the USA I can't say when.




That is why large scale governments are unequal, it is not possible to represent the interests of 300 million through what 1000 men and women? It is democracy, and inevitable in this form of government. This goes on in nearly every issue, you are just exemplifing a rule, not an exception, it is not just Christianity that is under-represented.


Again, in a representative form of government, if you are not represented, then you have no one to blame but yourself. That is the point. That is why this party is necessary. You make the point for the party.

By the way, you use the term Bushido as your sign off/signature. Bushido is the "Way of the Warrior." Bushido is the Japanese equivalent to Chivalry. All warriors serve a higher calling or purpose. Warriors under Bushido serve someone or something and protect the innocent and defensless. Who/what do you serve?
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rhopper3
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 07:49 pm
@Volunteer,
If individuals want to exersize their right to vote based on their religious convictions..that is their right and if that is being compromised then that is wrong. If other countries are persecuting Christians or anyone else that is wrong.
All I am saying is that there religious practices can not and should not be enforced by civil authorities. Free will is a tricky thing. When should governments trod upon it for the greater good and when should they leave it alone for the sake of freedom.
No one has the right to impose their religion on anyone else. There will always be debate on certain issues like abortion that have moral implications beyond specific religious orientation, but outside of that what you do and who you do it with is nobody's business...
If you want to buy a drink on Sunday and you do it legally and don't DWI its nobody's business...if you want to buy a blender well you get the idea
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 09:00 pm
@rhopper3,
rhopper3;11701 wrote:
If there is true discrimination in freedom of speech or religion against Christians or anyone else it must be ended. That is the truest liberal/progressive political position there is. However the moment you try to force your beliefs on anyone else by making religion a fact of public policy it stops being an issue of free speech or religion and becomes a political argument which our constitution and basic logic says you must lose.
We have a basic belief system much of which is indeed inspired by religious philosophy and a right to expect people to honor that societal belief system to a point. No one has the right to enforce their religious beliefs on anyone that is a decision to be made by each INDIVIDUAL
Where in our logic or Constitution does it say we must lose? Separation of church and state is no where in the Constitution?
I think where a lot of the problem is people get confused between "Freedom of religion" and " Freedom from religion". One phraise is in the Constitution the other is not.
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rhopper3
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2007 02:30 pm
@Volunteer,
Regardless of how you feel about the validity of seperation of church and state, the consituttion does say it government must not further the establishment of a state religion. No matter how you feel about the seperation issues it is wrong to force your specific religious beliefs on anyone. Within certain bounds what you do, when you do it and who you do it with is still your business and not the government's or society's for that matter
Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 6 Mar, 2007 03:21 pm
@rhopper3,
rhopper3;11760 wrote:
Regardless of how you feel about the validity of seperation of church and state, the consituttion does say it government must not further the establishment of a state religion. No matter how you feel about the seperation issues it is wrong to force your specific religious beliefs on anyone. Within certain bounds what you do, when you do it and who you do it with is still your business and not the government's or society's for that matter

How has the US further established a state religion? Who is forcing you to follow specific beliefs? On sep of church and state there is no validity, the term does not exist in our Constitution which is what we go by relating to such matters. If your talking about it's original use in a corspondence between Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. You would still be using it out of context. IMO
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Wed 7 Mar, 2007 08:11 pm
@rhopper3,
rhopper3;11760 wrote:
Regardless of how you feel about the validity of seperation of church and state, the consituttion does say it government must not further the establishment of a state religion. No matter how you feel about the seperation issues it is wrong to force your specific religious beliefs on anyone. Within certain bounds what you do, when you do it and who you do it with is still your business and not the government's or society's for that matter


Who says? Isn't that what's happening now with atheism and secular humanism being forced on us? Don't we have to support murder on demand with our tithe to the government? Don't we have to support atheism being taught to our children from grade school through college without squawking? How is that not a state religion being forced on us and our having to pay to support it? Why should Children of Israel be the only ones without an organized voice in the political arena? Turn the other cheek, yes, but don't gag yourself at the same time. The two edged sword is supposed to be used. It can't be used if there is a lack of knowledge. If there is no voice in the public arena speaking The Word and ensuring The Word can be spoken (in public and in private to our children), then there will be a lack of knowledge. "My people die for lack of knowledge." Who said that? Why?
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rhopper3
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2007 01:19 pm
@Volunteer,
If your rights to speak your beliefs are truly being abridged then I support your efforts to restore them, but not enforce them in the arena of public policy.
I don't believe atheism or humanism or any ism is being forced on anyone. A lack of religious training in public schools is not taught atheism or humanism.
As an adult I will not abide by anybody elses standard of dress, conduct, schedule, grooming or marital relations, income distribution, gender roles, or anything else and as long as I conduct myself in a civilized manner that doesn't abridge someone else rights it is nobody elses business what I do.
I remember all those ridiculous blue laws that forbid the buying of all sorts of silly things on Sundays, like blenders, and furniture and some kinds of food, not to mention alcohol...as if getting stone drunk and ramming your car into a telephone pole was somehow different on Sunday than it was on Saturday or making a T-shirt was somehow more appropriate on Monday.

I went to elementary school in the late 60s and early 70s and other than the occaisional morning prayer from a particularly devout teacher there was never religious training and this is in the heart of the southern bible belt. Now that those kids are grown and in their 40s religion is more popular than ever there. I think all the hubbub about secular humanism is just hot air quite spouted by what seem to be otherwise intelligent people....
Where is all this secular humanism everyone says is taking over the world, because I haven't seen any of it.
In college no one makes you take certain classes or professors. If your kid doesn't like the professors ideas of even the color of his shoes tell him to drop the class.
You can still put your kid in a relgious school or take them to Sunday school on the weekend.
Volunteer
 
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Reply Thu 8 Mar, 2007 05:13 pm
@rhopper3,
rhopper3;11830 wrote:
If your rights to speak your beliefs are truly being abridged then I support your efforts to restore them, but not enforce them in the arena of public policy.
I don't believe atheism or humanism or any ism is being forced on anyone. A lack of religious training in public schools is not taught atheism or humanism.
As an adult I will not abide by anybody elses standard of dress, conduct, schedule, grooming or marital relations, income distribution, gender roles, or anything else and as long as I conduct myself in a civilized manner that doesn't abridge someone else rights it is nobody elses business what I do.
I remember all those ridiculous blue laws that forbid the buying of all sorts of silly things on Sundays, like blenders, and furniture and some kinds of food, not to mention alcohol...as if getting stone drunk and ramming your car into a telephone pole was somehow different on Sunday than it was on Saturday or making a T-shirt was somehow more appropriate on Monday.

I went to elementary school in the late 60s and early 70s and other than the occaisional morning prayer from a particularly devout teacher there was never religious training and this is in the heart of the southern bible belt. Now that those kids are grown and in their 40s religion is more popular than ever there. I think all the hubbub about secular humanism is just hot air quite spouted by what seem to be otherwise intelligent people....
Where is all this secular humanism everyone says is taking over the world, because I haven't seen any of it.
In college no one makes you take certain classes or professors. If your kid doesn't like the professors ideas of even the color of his shoes tell him to drop the class.
You can still put your kid in a relgious school or take them to Sunday school on the weekend.


You don't have to support anything. The truth is the truth even if you don't believe it.

If you don't see the problem, maybe it's because you are too immersed in it.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 07:12 pm
@rhopper3,
FYI

Constitutionally Correct : Ninth Circuit jettisons three decades of equal access jurisprudence

Check it out, then think about going to Bible Party of the United States of America.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 10:14 pm
@Volunteer,
Like they said, so much for precedent.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sat 10 Mar, 2007 04:15 pm
@rhopper3,
Roger that.

Bible Party of the United States of America
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Thu 15 Mar, 2007 06:22 pm
@rhopper3,
"Two controversial decisions by the 9th Circuit Court forbidding religious activities in public libraries and branding such terms as "natural family" and "marriage" as hate speech are being appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, two conservative legal organizations have announced."

Ninth Circuit Decisions on Religion, Hate Speech to Be Appealed -- 03/14/2007


Bible Party of the United States of America
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