Bible Party of the USA

How you reason is dependant on how you believe.

That's why youngsters nowadays have heart, type 1 diabetes, and obesity problems.

Healthy body, healthy mind.

When I was in K-12, physical education (PE) was mandatory every year. There wasn't a question of not wanting to do PE, nearly everyone wanted to participate in PE, it got your blood pumping and out of the academic classes for a good period of time during the school day. It was a bit of summer in the middle of the day. Especially when playing team sports like baseball, soccer, football, etc...

The school systems were just beginning to get cheap and trying to cut less popular sports like gymnastics or field hockey, etc... This was in the mid 70s.

No no, how do you come to believe in him through logical process?

Please, walk me through it.

Do you believe people can love each other? If so, why, what makes you think love exists?

Do you believe people hate each other? If so, why, what makes you think hate exists?

Is there a difference between a rock and a human? What is that difference? Why is there a difference?

Have you been to the countryside or a national park, or looked at a sunset from a beach or the top of a mountain or skyscraper? What did you see? Was it different from what you see that was made by man?

When a rock breaks down into dust is it corruption or is it the building block for something else?

When an old discarded non-functional washing machine breaks down and is thrown away, is it corruption or is it the building block for something else?

When man dies, is buried or left on the surface of the earth and decays, is what's left corruption or does it become the building block for something else?

What is the water cycle? Is water ever really lost or corrupted?

Does it take effort to work your way through a calculus exercise? Is this more effort than working through an exercise like two plus two?

The logical process is not simple or quick.

None of this has anything to do with logical process leading to a particular God or particular gods.

If kids want to play they should do it outside of school, IMO.

But whatever, I don't believe in public education in the first place.

Describe the logical process you want to follow.

Actually, at your age, and with your self-image, this summer, you should be researching universities or colleges to attend after you finish K-12. You should be applying next summer or this fall for admission the fall of your senior year. You should begin this process now, not next year.

Wow, how long could that take? 12 hours a day, all summer?

Really?

Maybe you should stop telling me what I should do.

Well... it has to be logical, and... it... uh... it has to be a process.

Do you have a problem with people telling (or suggesting) you what to do?

The reason I ask is you seem to shoot down each process I start. So, if you really want an answer and you want it to be a "logical process," then describe your ideal process.

If you say someone shouldn't do something one way, but tell them to do something, you should have a better way of doing it or you should just let them do it as they see fit.

No, if you use reason faith is not involved.

Well where do you start from? How can you "reason" your way into thinking that stealing, murder, rape and so forth are wrong? Are those just assumptions that are a given while reasoning?


You can't use abstract reason as a core argument. You can use logic. Of course many things that republicans and democrats say lack logic. But where does your foundation for all this reason come from?

It's a line of reasoning going back to "I'm not your slave."

That's the foundation.

Go from there.

Well I completely agree about slave states being wrong and emoral. But is it absolutely wrong, or is it just wrong to you?

From there I'll ask you: why do you hold believe those absolutes to be true? It can't be because of any kind of science, one of the rules of science is that it can't proeve anything. Are you just born thinking that big government is evil? While others are born thinking that small governemnt is not enough?

No, if you use reason faith is not involved.

If you are honest, you will find and admit that everyone has a basic set of beliefs that shapes how they approach a problem and what they believe in relation to that problem.

You approach things differently from me because of your beliefs as a librarian, sorry, libertarian. You have faith in those beliefs. You retain that faith in the face of challenges to your belief system.

I do the same with my belief system. Everyone does. You can see this if you review any of the series of posts from each individual on this forum.

We each have faith in our beliefs because at some point in the past we examined them and found them to either work for our purposes or to be true.