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@Volunteer,

Christ sent the Paraclete to European Man, so that Christianity would thrive, and unite the world. It did that through HOLY WAR. Christ's life is only part of His story and greater glory.

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;16267 wrote:

Christ sent the Paraclete to European Man, so that Christianity would thrive, and unite the world. It did that through HOLY WAR. Christ's life is only part of His story and greater glory.

Sorry, I'm getting punch drunk. Thanks for the history lesson. Was it just Europe or all jews and pagans? I thought it was all. Seems to me I read that it was all somewhere in the Bible. Let me see, where was that?

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@Pinochet73,

AKA: The Advocate, Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost!!!!!:wtf:

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;16271 wrote:

AKA: The Advocate, Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost!!!!!:wtf:

Thanks. Can you provide the chapter and verse that says it was only Europe? I have an inquiring mind.

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@Volunteer,

It's not in the Bible, Silly. It's in history. You shouldn't isolate the Bible from life. It's an ancient library, and has been lived out by Christian Man in manifold ways since its creation. We've been over this before. You Protestants have always been so ignorant and disdainful of Christian history.

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;16144 wrote:

if, if what? the poll numbers are there. Your ASS-umptions are the only misunderstandings here.

I didn't start a thread about a religious political party, I only responded to the fact that it's unconstitutional, and it is. Just like an Islamic law part would be or a party of the 1st covenant.

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Your ASS-umptions are the only misunderstandings here.

Really, isn't it you that Assumes Sep of Church and State is in the Constitution? I asked you to point out where it says that and you immediately point some where else?

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I didn't start a thread about a religious political party, I only responded to the fact that it's unconstitutional,

I agree that you responded, as far as proving your point you haven't come close? Show me where in the Constitution you think it says "Bible party USA" is unConstitutional? Do not use any other document then the Constitution.

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and it is.

We shall see?

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@Silverchild79,

Silverchild79;16161 wrote:

I'm sorry but you ignore the points I make, request data and refuse to provide your own to support your views, then twist the information I provide to your liking.

I should follow my friends words

"don't argue with the ignorant, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

We haven't ignored anything! I hear every word you type. I see what your point is but i also see quite a few hole's in your point. Not trying to fight with you but untill you fill those holes your gonna have a hard time getting us to swing to your mindset. Fustration is part of the game.

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request data and refuse to provide your own to support your views, then twist the information I provide to your liking.

Why do we need to provide when the example you gave suits me fine? I didn't need another reference as i thought i had explained, i agreed with just about every thing in your poll but yet you would include me as favorable with the poll and in actuallity i'm no where near? And if you were in the same situation, you yourself admitted you would fight for the rights of your unborn child? So you don't even fall under the majority you claim is in favor of abortion? And you still insist that this majority is in favor, post people i believe would find this peculiar?

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I should follow my friends words

"don't argue with the ignorant, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

The only ignant one yet, has been you. Yet will still chose to engauge you despite a personal attack? Who's better for it, me or you?

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@Volunteer,

Volunteer;16163 wrote:

Thanks, you should look in the mirror.

I acknowledge the points you make. In fact I incorporate what you say in my response(s). You just don't view (or want to view) what you say from my viewpoint.

If you'd examine my responses instead of being on a hair trigger to refute them, you'd see we agree on some basic points. Could your prejudgement of my view, based on your bias against anyone who purports to honor the Bible, be the basis for this lack of tolerance?

This lack of objectivity prevents you from being as effective a communicator as you could be. People intent on communication, instead of conflict, look for commonality.

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This lack of objectivity prevents you from being as effective a communicator as you could be. People intent on communication, instead of conflict, look for commonality

He knows not yet, that untill he gives us common ground, he will never get anywhere. Of course from his point of view, we are intolerant, even though we have shown nothing but tolerence despite what some would deem a personal attack?

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;16302 wrote:

It's not in the Bible, Silly. It's in history. You shouldn't isolate the Bible from life. It's an ancient library, and has been lived out by Christian Man in manifold ways since its creation. We've been over this before. You Protestants have always been so ignorant and disdainful of Christian history.

I didn't know he was Protestant?

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;16302 wrote:

It's not in the Bible, Silly. It's in history. You shouldn't isolate the Bible from life. It's an ancient library, and has been lived out by Christian Man in manifold ways since its creation. We've been over this before. You Protestants have always been so ignorant and disdainful of Christian history.

I plead guilty to being Christian, I plead guilty to ignorance. I plead not guilty to disdain.

I was raised Church of England, split from that when they started accepting homosexuals as shepherds. My letters to the Presiding Bishop and his staff were hot.

Pino, You show disdain equally to many things and persons on a regular basis. Are you a pot or a kettle.

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@Volunteer,

While I think VOL has sidestepped many point Silver child has made. I do have to side with Fact against him as far as BIBLE PARTY USA being unconstitutional. the constitution reads

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It does NOT say seperation of church and state. It simply says that The United States will Not Claim ONE religion as the national religion.

Was the intent to seperate Church From State? I dont think so, I think the intent was to make sure CHURCH did not run state.

If you find a hole in what I have said please bring it to my attention.

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@Pinochet73,

Just read some Christian history. It'll broaden your perspective. You're stuck in the Bible, which is a part of the whole, not the whole itself. Your mentality is definitely Fundie.

"I plead guilty to being a Christian."

Ah....what a martyr. Gimme a break.:FU1:

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@Pinochet73,

Pinochet73;16372 wrote:

Just read some Christian history. It'll broaden your perspective. You're stuck in the Bible, which is a part of the whole, not the whole itself. Your mentality is definitely Fundie.

"I plead guilty to being a Christian."

Ah....what a martyr. Gimme a break.

I have read Christian and history in general. In my estimation the Bible is the most important part of history.

Martyr? Hardly. Very Happy

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@Volunteer,

Again....you're stuck in it. There is more to Christianity than the Bible. This there was, even before the New Testament was promulgated. You want to isolate the Bible, view it as an authoritative book, when it's really a library, unify it, as if it were written by one author, like a novel, and eventually give it a God-like quality. Your temptation is to worship the Bible, instead of God. That was never the intent. This interpretation is a distortion, insisted upon by many, for purposes of intellectual convenience. Ignorance is another key factor here. To feel correct, you read more of the Bible, about the Bible, stubbornly denying the validity of any other source. That's bad research and faulty reasoning. God gave you a brain, as well as the Bible.

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@rugonnacry,

rugonnacry;16327 wrote:

While I think VOL has sidestepped many point Silver child has made. I do have to side with Fact against him as far as BIBLE PARTY USA being unconstitutional. the constitution reads

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It does NOT say seperation of church and state. It simply says that The United States will Not Claim ONE religion as the national religion.

Was the intent to seperate Church From State? I dont think so, I think the intent was to make sure CHURCH did not run state.

If you find a hole in what I have said please bring it to my attention.

I find plenty of holes. For one, it says Congress, not citizens.
Two. It does not say the US will not claim a religion. It say it will not establish.

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Was the intent to seperate Church From State?

No.

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I dont think so, I think the intent was to make sure CHURCH did not run state.

Or vise versa.

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@Volunteer,

You foound plenty of holes? Yet the two refrences you made were not holes.

Oh my It doesnt say claim. it says will not establish... your right, and what does that mean? It means the UNited States will NEVER have a recognized OFFICIAL religion. Thus will not claim any ONE religion. That hole you tried to dig was just filled back in LOL

And your OTHER hole, I am confused Wher did I say IT said Citizens Not Congress? I will try and answer you anyways. Congress is the elected voice of the Citizery thus saying Congress IS saying citizens.

PLease let me know what holes you were referring too. I enjoy learnign and I can only lear if I am wrong and someone corrects me.

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@Volunteer,

This amendment cannot come into play for the 'Bible Party' because you cannot prohibit the free excersize of religion. To ban the Bible Party would be to do so. To stop Bible Party members from holding office would also do so, and any politician is influenced by their personal beliefs anyway.

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@Volunteer,

You know what, I don't think I would mind a politician who followed Jesus's example, as far as I know it was a good one. If they truely commited to this I doubt freedom of religion would be in risk, you would simply have very good samaritans doing their best to help the biggest amount of people they can, I prefer that over opportunistic politicians more interested in next year's election than todays health, education, and poverty issues.

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@Reagaknight,

Reagaknight;16511 wrote:

This amendment cannot come into play for the 'Bible Party' because you cannot prohibit the free excersize of religion. To ban the Bible Party would be to do so. To stop Bible Party members from holding office would also do so, and any politician is influenced by their personal beliefs anyway.

Actually it can, When do you lose your rights? Answer. When you infringeing on someone elses rights.

Bible Party USA gets elected to the big office (HAHAHAHAHA sorry) then that party who has publicly claimed chritianity now represents the nation, thus the nation is now represented as christian, hence My rights are infringed on.

You get the point.

You cant

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@Volunteer,

Although I read the Bible daily, I only read the Gospels. After having read the dang old thang in its entirety since childhood, I eventually realized that for me, it's all about JESUS. Dig it.

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