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Bible Party of the USA

 
 
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 06:30 pm
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;15611 wrote:
"Do you do demolition? Do you sky dive? Do you climb mountains? Those are violent activities."

I do martial arts, fitness, shoot guns, study guerrilla warfare, and fine-tune my Western Christian nationalist ideology. Demolitions? Do you play around with explosives for a hobby? Wha......?


Sorry, wrong kind of demolition. I meant demolition of buildings.
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 06:32 pm
@Darkseid,
Darkseid;15638 wrote:
If you think having Constantinism (Your Christianity) become a ruling factor over the United States, then you are making a big mistake.

First, "your" god doesn't even exist.

The true god is the one that exists regardless of faith. You don't need to be a christian to be saved by the true god. Because God doesn't give a damn about what faith you belong to and now listen to me about this. Why would he or should I say it care? Why should it care?

God is a selfless being that acts upon the good of humanity. God doesn't care what faith or faction you belong to or what politics you follow. God doesn't care about any of that. In fact, God doesn't care about anything, because the true god isn't even a person. The true god is just a force that binds us together for our spiritual and physical survival. The one that leads in this force is the destined messiah, who you identify as Jesus Christ. His role is to unite everyone outside of tearing apart unique individual identities.

The true Jesus isn't a part of your faith. He died right right after his true death, which was on the cross. The faith you follow is that which a mix of traditions in the Roman Empire such as the Cult of Isis and Mithraism.

But you want to understand what your true problem is? You just don't want to accept things for what they truly are.

Now allow me to tell you the TRUTH.

Muhammad=Jesus
Jesus=Buddha
Buddha=Zoroaster
Zoroaster=Moses
Moses=Abraham

Reincarnation wise and the sad thing is you never made the attempt to recognize it. So sad it must be for Jesus to have his people dwindle in fear, anger, and malice before him. So sad indeed. Oh wait, you aren't even his people to begin with. You just simply claim to be his people by following an institution created by the Roman Emperor Constantine.

True Christianity = Gnosticism.


What the heck are you smoking?????
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 06:35 pm
@Darkseid,
Darkseid;15644 wrote:
The only true christians are those like Sylvia Browne and that Bishop that denounced the existence of hell, because he believes god is forever loving of human beings. He also claimed that the scripture in the bible is wrong, because god is beyond what the bible can foretold.

How could he knew that? Because he is a Gnostic or TRUE Christian.


Darkseid, your name says it all. Your name is testimony concerning who you are and what you believe. I am truly sorry for you.

Man knows not the hour or the day. Let's pray you aren't called back before you know who Jesus really is. Don't want you added to the billions who will be or are weeping and knashing their teeth.
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Reply Thu 10 May, 2007 07:30 pm
@Volunteer,
Darkseid,

You can't understand Jesus because you worship false gods. The proof is the greater society to which you belong -- heathen, one and all.
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 11:24 am
@Volunteer,
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 08:30 pm
@Volunteer,
Hooaah.
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2007 11:02 pm
@Volunteer,
I have heard all this before starting around 1980 when I graduated high school, and its the same people perptrating it, the ones who want their outdated ideas to hold sway after time has left them behind
kids today are smarter, and more saavy than ever and I hope less subject to this kind of BS.....
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 08:08 am
@rhopper3,
Re: Bible Party of the USA

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Originally stated by rhopper3
I have heard all this before starting around 1980 when I graduated high school, and its the same people perptrating it, the ones who want their outdated ideas to hold sway after time has left them behind
kids today are smarter, and more saavy than ever and I hope less subject to this kind of BS.....


I'm a several years ahead of you and saw what was happening in K-12 and College. Then saw it again with my children and grandchildren. You can say a rock doesn't exist. That doesn't change the fact that it does. The only way to change a rock is to destroy it.

Knowledge isn't like a rock. It exists but can't be destroyed. As long as someone has a thought in their head, the thought continues to live. If they pass that thought to another person, that person has that thought and can do with it what they will. Both persons have a common frame of reference with respect to that thought. The only way to prevent this process is to prevent thoughts from being transmitted. In other words, prevent free speech and structure a society's educational system to teach what you want taught.

Soft brainwashing starts with the enemy establishing a captive situation. This can be actual or mental captivity. The Stockholm syndrome then operates. If the enemy then enters discussion with the captive, the captive is more receptive to the thoughts and behavior modes of the enemy. This is because the enemy controls something the captive needs. In the case of a child or student in a school, a grade that passes them on to another level. In the case of a hostage, the hostage's life, food, and ability to urinate or defecate without soiling their pants.

In the case of a POW, the same thing operates plus the potential for better treatment if they pretend to accept the captor's premise and train of thought. Add to that the promise of eventual release. If the POW begins to accept the premise, even if only on the surface, to appear to accept it, then the battle is lost.

In the case of political correctness society wants to avoid unpleasant consequences. The enemy counts on this reluctance and counts it in their plans. The enemy also uses this mode of behavior to control those who don't accept the political correctness by bringing pressure to bear from those who do. This is a powerful mechanism that has been at work in the USA and western society for many decades. Ever read George Orwell's Animal Farm? It's a short book. I use the term enemy in the above discourse because anyone who uses coercion to change your thought or behavior is an enemy.

If you can prevent a society from establishing a base of common knowledge in their children before introducing conflicting ideas and modes of behavior, you can control that society and bring it down. That has been happening off and on for centuries to one society or another. We are the most recent example. This process is a form of warfare. It is part of what SunZu referred to when he counseled to shape the environment so there is no need to have a battle.

Intelligence doesn't determine whether someone knows something if they haven't been exposed to it; Garbage in, garbage out. If all you are fed is garbage that is all you'll know. Perhaps that has been your diet and you are unaware. When someone points out the fallacy of your mode of thought you get defensive. Self-denial is common in cases like yours. Could Johari's window be operating? Or is this pronouncement of yours something more sinister. If people are aware of what is happening and have an inkling of why, they can take action to change it. Are you afraid of that? If so, why?
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 10:02 am
@Volunteer,
"....kids today are smarter, and more saavy than ever and I hope less subject to this kind of BS....."

How so? Give me some examples. And how do you know? What's your credibility?
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 12:10 pm
@Darkseid,
Darkseid;15638 wrote:

First, "your" god doesn't even exist.
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 12:19 pm
@Darkseid,
Darkseid;15638 wrote:
The true god is the one that exists regardless of faith. You don't need to be a christian to be saved by the true god. Because God doesn't give a damn about what faith you belong to and now listen to me about this. Why would he or should I say it care? Why should it care?


The entity you describe is Satan.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 12:19 pm
@Volunteer,
The bible is really good like that, it even tells people to not worry if what they're saying sounds foolish, because god will prove them right. Sort of a literary defense mechanism.
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Silverchild79
 
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 12:23 pm
@Volunteer,
I just read the charter, do these people even read the constitution? Their mission statement violates separation of church and state and equates to the religious rule found in the middle east...
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 12:41 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15874 wrote:
I just read the charter, do these people even read the constitution? Their mission statement violates separation of church and state and equates to the religious rule found in the middle east...


You've been commenting on the issue for a while, about time you read the charter.

Separation of church and state is a mythical construct. The Constitution does not prohibit people of faith from participation in public policy formulation.

The attempt to discredit political participation of Bible believing Christians and Jews by equating them with the Taliban or Islamists is like comparing apples and oranges. Christians don't saw off your head, stick it on a pike and leave your body in a ditch for the carrion to eat.
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 12:52 pm
@Volunteer,
Volunteer;15879 wrote:
Separation of church and state is a mythical construct. The Constitution does not prohibit people of faith from participation in public policy formulation.

The attempt to discredit political participation of Bible believing Christians and Jews by equating them with the Taliban or Islamists is like comparing apples and oranges. Christians don't saw off your head, stick it on a pike and leave your body in a ditch for the carrion to eat.


no the Constitution does not forbid Judaeo/Christian lawmakers, it forbids the creation of laws based on religious faith

Bill of Rights;15879 wrote:

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


meaning that no law can be made saying you can't practice your religion and no law can be made saying that I have to adhere to your religious based beliefs. That's hardly mithical, it's black and white. The real myth here is that your reading the entire Bill of Rights. The half of the sentace before the comma tells religion to stay out of government, and the half of the sentance after the comma tells the government to stay out of religion. Just cause you don't want it to mean that doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that.

There are execptions by law which protect the civil rights of others (you can't kill homosexuals because your Jewish and it's in Exodus, etc). But basically the Church and the government should play nice and not meddle in each other's affairs.

And your right, Christians haven't killed anybody in this country in the name of god for hundreds of years, and seperation of Chruch and state keeps it that way...
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 12:53 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15881 wrote:
no the Constitution does not forbid Judaeo/Christian lawmakers, it forbids the creation of laws based on religious faith


Bull!!

Every law we have on the books is based on someone's religious faith and most are based on the Laws provided for all mankind by the Bible.
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 12:57 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15881 wrote:
meaning that no law can be made saying you can't practice your religion and no law can be made saying that I have to adhere to your religious based beliefs. That's hardly mithical, it's black and white. The real myth here is that your reading the entire Bill of Rights. The half of the sentace before the comma tells religion to stay out of government, and the half of the sentance after the comma tells the government to stay out of religion. Just cause you don't want it to mean that doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that...


One example of the falacy of your statement: The Judicial branch makes laws every day without consultation or consent of the governed. These laws restrict religious expression and practice. If the Constitution really says what you say it does, this wouldn't be allowed to happen.
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 01:05 pm
@Silverchild79,
Silverchild79;15881 wrote:
...But basically the Church and the government should play nice and not meddle in each other's affairs....


You speak as though these are two living, breathing entities. They aren't. They are composed of people who carry their personal world views with them and act on those world views.

The premise of the Bible Party is that Christians and Jews who wish to honor God's word should organize and enter and participate political life, having made a commitment to vote according to the principles in the Bible.

This wish to participate is no different from the wish an an atheist has who enters government to change the laws to remove the ability of parents to control what their children are taught in school. This wish to participate is no different from the wish a homosexual has or a member of the north american man boy love association has who enters politics to change laws so they can recruit more homoxeuals, etc.... The difference comes in the beliefs each group brings to their participation, application of those beliefs, and the effect that application has upon society. These effects are more than just the first order, direct effects. There are second, third, fourth, and fifth order effects; etc.....
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 01:12 pm
@Volunteer,
Quote:
Originally stated by Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Silverchild79,

You say the first part of the sentence, before the comma, tells the church to stay out of government. Are you dislexic? That part of the sentence is talking about what Congress can and cannot do. The part after the comma and before the semi-colon indicates there can be no law prohibiting the participation of people with closely held religious beliefs from participating in government.
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Reply Mon 14 May, 2007 01:38 pm
@Volunteer,
you, conveniently, misunderstood me...

I'll try again

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

means that congressmen can't make any laws respecting an establishment of religion. The only people who would attempt to make such laws are lawmakers with a religious agenda, hence my saying "tell the church to stay out of the government" remark
 

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