Bible Party of the USA

I compare their Jihad to our Crusades, both are meant for defending against foreign cultures, there are those who advocate Jihad just as there are those who advocate a Crusade. I believe in setting an example, even if it costs us dearly, I don't believe that God has abandoned his people, our enemies actions will create an insurgency as soon as those to who they preach blasfemies (by their own standered) realise that the enemy is not foreign. We fight a war that is not meant to be fought, but neither can I ask anyone to sacrifice themselves for my beliefs, or the beliefs of few.

Islam is ALWAYS worse. Always. Islam is barbaric. Mohammad himself was a mass murderer.

Do you, rhopper3, know why the Crusades were started? I think if you did, you would approach them differently. For the most part, the native population was treated humanely, and much more humanely than Muslims treated them. I reccomenf the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades for an objective source.

Any war is problematic. However, when forced on you, as with any fight, finish it so everyone knows it is finished. How? Eliminate the enemy's will and means to fight.

The Crusades were in response to the last/first waves of Jihad. Those waves were not in defense of anything except plunder, rape, pillaging, and forcing conversion or death on anyone who stood in their way.

Jihad is meant to convert using coercion. If people don't convert to islam they are put to death or forced into slavery. What's your choice? It's fine to make that choice for yourself. When you make it for a society or for innocents sitting next to you (like children) it is not acceptable.

No, you have the option of paying the jizya, a (usually ridiculously high) non-Muslim tax.

Right, until they get tired of letting you live.

The Christian West MUST fight Islam until the end of time. It's providential. Fight. Fight. Fight.:headbang:

I have a tendency to believe the best in people, I have come to realise though that most don't follow even close my line of thought. Let me read more about the people and culture of the middle-east then I'll come back and debate further this topic.

I consider myself a realist, on the othwer hand, and I accept that it is possible for an entire group to be, quite frankly, evil. Islam is the closest possible group to this definition, in terms of those that have major, world importance. Don't just read about the people and culture, you should read also about the religion and history. Moderate Muslims who are actually the ones trying to 'hijack' their religion from the established group ( which we call extremists, even though it is an essentially extremist religion by nature). Islam is not, and has not historically been a peaceful religion. In it's own holy book are descriptions of murder, brutal conqurings and mass slayings, and good enough reason to believe that Muhammed himself was a pedophile.

While Jesus famously told the crowd that was ready to execute an adulterer that the one without sin should throw the first stone, Mohammed let a baby that was a result of the adulterous relationship of another woman be born, then ordered her to be stoned, as if purposefully in juxtaposition to Jesus. Islam is by no means a religion of peace.

Back to the reason for this thread, establishment of a political party to bring the values provided in the Bible back into the mainstream of USA public life.

The Easter ‘Hit’ Parade -- 04/05/2007

View the link above for an article that chronicles the mass media's assault on the beliefs of Christians and Jews. The source is the Cyubercast News Service.

Christians do need to have their own country. In fact, they should reclaim the West, in that spirit. The problem pertaining to Christian governance concerns doctrine. Which denominational doctrine will prevail? I, a soldier of Christ, can't answer that question. I don't know. It isn't Catholicism, or Fundamentalism, either. I think a genuinely non-denominational doctrine needs to be developed, one that's centered on denominational commonalities. The Bible would certainly serve that purpose, if it were not for Fundamentalism, a primitive religious mentality that results in Bible-worship, instead of worshiping God. :headbang:

This can never happen. I myself would never join such a cause. The best hope for this is having everyone become Catholic, and not have so many new enominations from different interpretations of the Bible, but that also would never happen.

Catholicism is great, in many respects, but also irrelevant, in others. No irrelevant religion can triumph. The Christian world community today needs a 'pan-Christian' doctrine that unifies and empowers it to reclaim its destiny. Too many Christians believe God wants them to surrender to their enemies, and beg them to kill them. In fact, the more successful Christianity's enemies are today, the happier these confused Christians seem to be. It's crazy. If this is what Jesus intended, He wouldn't have pursued any ministry at all, but would have stayed home in Nazareth, content with the mundane life of a carpenter. He wouldn't have even bothered. I for one will fight like hell for Christian Civilization until my last, dying breath. If I'm wrong in doing so, I'll accept my sentence in Hades.:headbang:

Click the link below for information about Jesus, His resurrection and Easter.

The Resurrection of Jesus Christ ("Easter") - ChristianAnswers.Net

Matthew 27:62-66, “The next day, which followed the preparation day, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate and said, "Sir, we remember that while this deceiver was still alive, He said, 'After three days I will rise again. Therefore give orders that the tomb be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, His disciples may come, steal Him, and tell the people, 'He has been raised from the dead.' Then the last deception will be worse than the first."

"You have a guard [of soldiers]," Pilate told them. "Go and make it as secure as you know how." Then they went and made the tomb secure by sealing the stone and setting the guard.”

Matthew 28, “After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to view the tomb. Suddenly there was a violent earthquake, because an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and approached [the tomb]. He rolled back the stone and was sitting on it. His appearance was like lightning, and his robe was as white as snow. The guards were so shaken from fear of him that they became like dead men.

But the angel told the women, "Don't be afraid, because I know you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. He is not here! For He has been resurrected, just as He said. Come and see the place where He lay. Then go quickly and tell His disciples, 'He has been raised from the dead. In fact, He is going ahead of you to Galilee; you will see Him there.' Listen, I have told you."

So, departing quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, they ran to tell His disciples the news. Just then Jesus met them and said, "Good morning!" They came up, took hold of His feet, and worshiped Him. Then Jesus told them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell My brothers to leave for Galilee, and they will see Me there."

As they were on their way, some of the guard came into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. After the priests had assembled with the elders and agreed on a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money and told them, "Say this, 'His disciples came during the night and stole Him while we were sleeping.' If this reaches the governor's ears, we will deal with him and keep you out of trouble." So they took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been spread among Jewish people to this day.

The 11 disciples traveled to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had directed them. When they saw Him, they worshiped, but some doubted. Then Jesus came near and said to them, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Joy to the world!! Christ is risen!! My soul, praise the Lord, Hallelujah!!!!

That He is. Now get out there and FIGHT for Christian Civilization! If you want people ten generations from now to be able to say what you just said, get out there and FIGHT.

True statement:

"The pen is mightier than the sword." Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 1839

Another true statement:

"If we don't defend ourselves, they'll kill us.":thumbdown:

I agree. That's the point of the Bible Party. One of Sun Tsu's axioms is that it is better to create conditions in which the war/battle is won before a battle is fought. I know, Chirst Jesus won the war when He said, "It is finished." But, there are (may be) lots of battles still to fight before the end. We (Christians and Jews) should work together to create the conditions in which we are free to live as Children of Israel should.