The United States is not a Christian Nation

Well, I see it as still prominent, which it is, and therefore as relevant in describing us as Communist when describing Soviet Russia.

And:

I am a frog.

I am a frog.

I said it twice, does that make it true? Okay, maybe you did minor in religious studies. I'm not saying you didn't. But a lot of us have educated ourselves and don't need liberal toning down in our religious studies.

"This website is called conflicting views.. Debates only make people stronger. I am not bashing your intelligence. I would appreciate if you would not bash mine. Its very stereotypical for conservatives to bash others. Lets try not to amplify that view."

I couldn't agree more. But tell me, why did you make the following remark, on post #37, in the 'Religion and Philosophy' section, under 'Islamism', if you feel that way?

"It figures Pinochet is from Texas. Ignorance is prevalent there.":scratchchin:

What?

Because it is relevant to recognize the Christian history, relevance, and majority in America. The rest of the statement was not directed toward you.

You can try to attach labels to me all you want. I have not claimed to be liberal.

Everything below the 'And:' was not directed toward you.

These people are commonly referred to as 'early Church leaders', here I will call them 'people who know a hell of a lot more about Christianity than you.' They were a mix of the religious leader, not as you claimed, a bunch of popes. They were the only people who could fairly decide on which books were authentic, Gnostic idiocy, and books deserving of the Apocrypha.

well to begin with, the bible was around long before the catholic church was originated. It wasn't called the bible, it was just a series of scrolls written by followers and believers. as a matter of fact, Peter went to Rome to be the first Pope, wich wasn't like the pope we are fimiliar with, he was killed, as a matter of fact there was only one desciple that died from natural causes.
The Gnostic scrolls in your opinion may have "idiocy"(brilliant), or they could have been genious, in your personal opinion there were not, obviously. There was in fact the gospel of Jesus Christ, The Godpel acording to Mary, and another revolutions from one of the other apostles. And if i am not mistaken there were a few other gospels that were thrown out as well. If you want to throw bible versus around here is another one for you, it seems overwelmingly reminicent of something of a current event. Exodus 22:20 acourding to the NIV study bible here in front of me..."whoever sacrifices to any god other than the lord must be destroyed". This doesn't remind me of the extremist muslim terrorists we are trying to fight against or anything. Now you tell me what makes this any diffrent than that. Yeah, i trust this group of people to judge how i should live my life. There is a reason why the christian religion has broken up into so many difrent sects. Alot of this stuff is not relevant in todays day of age. Of course when you don't know how to cook something to where you won't get sick you are going to think it is a sin to eat it. But with the progress we have made in science and technology, You won't get sick from eating pork anymore. These scrolls were written in a time when people lived in rock buildings and drank water from the river. Of course not everything that is written is going to be relevant, to be honest, i give it maybe another 50 years untill it loses all credibility. I don't need a book to tell me not to steal, or kill....i don't need a book to tell me in one spot an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth then later tell me to turn the other cheeck. Then later again tell me that if a man strikes another man with a stone or his fist and does not kill him the man who struck the blow should not be held acountable, however that man should pay the other man for time lost and make sure he gets well....not word for word but exodus 21:18. There are just too many versions of the bible to really hold too much credibility. I believe in the basics, don't kill, don't steal, ect. And i like to read the stories and experiances these men had. And the poetry and psalms are easy to make into modern worship songs. Other than that, i don't really care what you take out of it, but i will be carefull with what i take out of it. I think Jesus had a good belief system going and it was ruined and tarnished. By selfish men. But i guess it's a good thing i apose organized religion and believe it should be a private practice and study.:peace:

So i take it when religious holidays come around you work and don't take the paid time off? Do you butt out or take the gimme?
Wonder want Dmizer does for our religous holidays?

Your religious holidays?

You stole them all from the pagans, you know. All the major christian holidays coincide roughly with, and were designed to replace, old pagan feast days.

Okay, if there is no separation of church and state, explain how the government could be intertwined with religion and still not violate the first amendment?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Explain how the government can favor christianity without violating that part of the constitution? You say "separation of church and state" is unconstitutional, but that's only if you throw out the first amendment. (Which I suspect most christians would be for, so long as the could replace it with "praise jesus".)

Okay, if there is no separation of church and state, explain how the government could be intertwined with religion and still not violate the first amendment?

Explain how the government can favor christianity without violating that part of the constitution?

You say "separation of church and state" is unconstitutional, but that's only if you throw out the first amendment.

Where does it say the two cannot be intertwined? It doesn't say Government shall make no law it say Congress shall not.

Are you just being argumentative or do you really not know Congress' role in government?

I find it funny people on here, and other places call for an end to muslims, and say they are all extremist because even if they aren't out blowing up innocents, they all believe that the world should follow Sharia law, at the same time they are telling eveyone they are going to hell for not accepting jesus christ as their saviour, and telling people that they have the right to infringe on their beliefs, because if they can't discuss christianity whenever, and where ever they want, their "rights" are being infringed upon.

Are you just being argumentative or do you really not know Congress' role in government?

I find it funny people on here, and other places call for an end to muslims, and say they are all extremist because even if they aren't out blowing up innocents,

and telling people that they have the right to infringe on their beliefs,

because if they can't discuss christianity whenever, and where ever they want, their "rights" are being infringed upon.