Moslem Invasion of Europe.

Butrflynet

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Cannibalism in Fiji died out in the mid-19th Century with the establishment of Christianity."

The question is which is the worst evil. Cannibalism or religion?

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Steve,

Hick Hargreaves is a Sainsbury's now 'aint it. Were there many moslems who worked there?

I worked for Lantor on t' Dobble for 10 years and despite this being a textile/cotton mill that employed about 500 people and was surrounded by moslems, only one ever worked there.

Don't have a problem where I live now, I just joined in this thread.

I think you are wrong about the conflict between religions. Most religions, despite the apologists that represent them, seem to have a built-in intolerance to all others. After all, at least 3/4 of the world must have the wrong religion. If you are a christian, jew, moslem, hindu or whatever, only your like will go to heaven and all others are wrong which is why religions are constantly trying to recruit new members.

There will only be peace on this planet when there is no religion, or no-one here to worship.

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I normally do not defend my religion but I have to point out an error in yr post Billy....

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hindu or whatever, only your like will go to heaven and all others are wrong

This statement is incorrect. Hinduism recognizes all religions. It has never claimed to be the only "true" religion

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Gautam

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This statement is incorrect. Hinduism recognizes all religions. It has never claimed to be the only "true" religion

That being so, it stands nearly alone.

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Gautam,

Please accept my apologies for my lack of knowlwdge about your (and most other) religions.

So do we all go to heaven in Hinduism......... even me?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Butrflynet wrote:
When the Wall came down and the two German countries were reunited, were the citizens of one of those countries labeled as immigrants to the reunited Germany? Was there a great societal debate over government programs and beneficiaries who had not paid into them?

There were some debates, e.g. if high rank spies, ministers, genarals etc should get the same high pensions as their (former western) counterparts (= yes, partly at least).

Women in the new states get much higher pension as their sisters in the former Federal Republic: although they paid nothing in the fonds, theuy have worked longer (due to the socialistic system of childcare, for instance).

Loud debates openly? No, only between 'friends', in the pub, after too much beer.

Eh ... but the crucial bit of info missing here, I think, is about wages.

East-German wages were lifted up only gradually to West-German levels over the past decade.

That meant that for all of these years, while East-Germans were being exhorted to adapt and catch up, they were paid less money for the same job. A "new citizen" would be paid only 60% (then 70, 80, 90%) of what a West-German was paid, for the very same work, in the same country.

Now this may make sense economically - of course, productivity was lower there, and lifting all the wages up to equivalence with West-German standards instantaneously would probably have bankrupted the country.

But still, imagine - you're a citizen of the same state, have the same passport, yet your colleague in another town, who does the same work, earns 1,5 times as more ... should explain at least some of the electoral appeal of the post-communists. (Course, the irony is that they were responsible for the mess in the first place, but they still did pretty well in mobilising post-unification resentment ...)

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No, we dont all go to heaven unfortunately Billy Laughing

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If u wanna some light reading on Hinduism...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hinduism.htm

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One can only hope that the wall between religious beliefs will be torn down some day and the people reunited as easily and quickly as those in Germany.

I disagree with the premise that religions must be eliminated before humans learn to stop fighting with each other. That's just using religion as an excuse.

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nimh

That's right. Not only right, but even worse:
it happened until recently that in some Berlin government offices even the two persons sitting opposite on the desk and doing exactly the sam job, having exactly the same rank etc ... well, one could get the lower East salary (because his department originally was situated in former East Berlin) while the other got the (higher) 'normal' salary.

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Well,

Most of the conflict that has gone on in the last couple of thousand years has been borne of opposing religious ideologies (mostly by men I hasten to add). And unfortunitely, the world is now more divided than ever.

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Billy sasterd wrote:

And unfortunitely, the world is now more divided than ever.

When you look in any history book, you'll just find the opposite :wink:

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Gautam,

I went to the site:

"However, during the past few years, a Hindu nationalistic political party has controlled the government of India. The linkage of religion, the federal government and nationalism has led to a recent degeneration in the separation of church and state in India. This, in turn, has decreased the level of religious tolerance in that country. The escalation of anti-Christian violence is one manifestation of this linkage".

Hmmmm seems like hinduism looks like going the same way.

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If there is to be Armageddon the spark that sets it off IMO will be religion. The seeds that were planted over 2000 years ago are nearing maturation.

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Billy, I don't know if HH is now a Sainsburys but it wouldn't surprise me. The place seemed ripe for development everytime I went up there. [I worked as their southern regional guy]. I can't remember if there were many Asians working on the shop floor, probably not. They sold up and moved production to the Czech Republic soon after I left.

Which brings me nicely on to religion...shop around! thats my motto. I prefer Tesco's brand of Double Thickness Redemption. [Its on offer at the moment]

AU, you seem preoccupied by the Moslem threat to Europe. Relax, you're in Brooklyn!

Walter, did the former E German employee produce his identification papers at the shops for a special discount?

I don't think the E Germans can be blamed for their rather pitiful economic progress. That has to be the fault of the Russians. They were never going to see anyone in the DDR prosper, except for the ruling communist elite and their employees. And if I'm brutally frank, I can understand why.

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From Sylvester Stewart, better known as Sly, of Sly and the Family stone:

Sometimes I'm right then I can be wrong
My own beliefs are in my songs
A butcher, a banker, a drummer and then
Makes no difference what group I'm in
I am everyday people

Then it's the blue ones who can't accept
The green ones for living with
The black ones tryin' to be a skinny one
Different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and scooby dooby dooby

Ooh sha sha
We gotta live together

I am no better and neither are you
We're all the same whatever we do
You love me you hate me
You know me and then
Still can't figure out the scene I'm in
I am everyday people

Then it's the new man
That doesn't like the short man
For being such a rich one
That will not help the poor one
Different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on scooby dooby dooby

Ooh sha sha
We got to live together

There is a yellow one that won't
Accept the black one
That won't accept the red one
That won't accept the white one

Different strokes for different folks
And so on and so on and
Scooby dooby dooby
Ooh sha sha
I am everyday people

Everyday people, folks, we're talkin' about everyday people. Live with them in peace, or we all pay the price.

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Au, well if thats the case, arma geddin outta here. Happy w/e all Laughing

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Steve (as 41oo)

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AU, you seem preoccupied by the Moslem threat to Europe. Relax, you're in Brooklyn!

No more so than the European obsession with our president and government. This is a small word and getting smaller every day. Poison emanating from one part of it quickly infects the rest.

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au1929 wrote:

Steve (as 41oo)

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AU, you seem preoccupied by the Moslem threat to Europe. Relax, you're in Brooklyn!

No more so than the European obsession with our president and government. This is a small word and getting smaller every day. Poison emanating from one part of it quickly infects the rest.

And your incessant bigoted posts about the Muslim "Threat" are wonderful examples of this poison. Mad

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Billy sasterd wrote:

The immigration system in the UK is completely overwhelmed. The UK is the destination of choice for so-called asylum seekers who come here in the hundreds of thousands every year. If people face persecution in their own country and wish to leave they should do so and go to the NEAREST country of refuge.

Billy sasterd wrote:

Walter, We had our own Secretary of State on TV last night admitting that the net difference between the number of aliens (not tourists) who come to this country and then leave every year is nearly 200,000 who have no right to be here. [..] I can't argue with my own Government's figures can I?

You are messing up all the categories here. First you talk of "hundreds of thousands" of "so-called asylum-seekers" every year. Then you come up with a number of "nearly 200,000" - which Walter's link corrects down to 153,000 - but that concerns net migration, overall - whereas the largest number of immigrants come to join their families, not as asylum-seekers.

According to these figures, the number of asylum applicants in the UK varied between 27,000 - 77,000 in the years between 1995 and 2000. Note that this was consistently around half or less of the numbers for Germany.

As for "going to the NEAREST country of refuge", well, obviously, most already do. That's why the impact of refugees on UK population is actually marginal compared to that what the populations of, say, Uganda, Thailand, Pakistan, Iran are facing.

Let me spell out the numbers: in the UK, as of 12/31/2000, there was 1 refugee on each 681 Brits. In comparison, there was 1 refugee on each 572 Canadians, 1 refugee on each 456 Germans ... and some ten to twenty times as many refugees per capita in Sudan (1 in 76), Pakistan (1 in 75), Iran (1 in 36) and Yugoslavia (1 in 22).

There simply are an enormous number of displaced persons in the world - wars are having more massive an impact, "ethnic cleansing" has become a 'normal' part of war strategy. The same stat mentions fifteen million asylum-seekers and refugees worldwide - and you can add the millions of IDPs (Internally Displaced Persons) to that number. The UK, like Holland, is merely receiving random "shrapnel" from that - away from where the main wars are, it is getting only a fragment of the numbers of refugees much poorer countries in Africa, Asia and the Middle East are having to host. The tabloid rhetorics of "they're all coming here" are, pardon my French - bollocks. And mean and nasty, too.

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