Moslem Invasion of Europe.

Oh.. I remember now. Northern Ireland was one of those terrorist states funded by the US.

Sorry these posts are so short, I am trying to cook Italian for the kids and Indian for me and the wife!

So, Billy... you ignored my question. What does moving to an all-native neighborhood do to solve this immigration and budgetary problem the UK has?

Well,

as I said before, I can stay and and have my kids suffer or move. I decided it was better to move. This is not an all native neighbourhood where I now live. My neighbours next door but one are Chinese and further along they are Indian. It is just not swamped.

The budgetary problem needs to be addressed by managed immigration. That does not mean allowing someone to live and work in this country and then have all his relatives arrive later and burden the country. I believe that unless you have paid into the system, and I include the spongers who are UK citizens, you should not be able to take from the system.

So, the problem is immigrants in general and not those following a specific religion?

So what do propose to do with the Brits who are too lazy to work, Billy? Where will you send them?

Hey Red, what's shakin'?


Ya wanna . . . you know . . .

Be glad, you don't live in Germany! One reason: 14 years ago exactly such happened here, 17 million new citizens arrived, having paid nothing at all in the saystem but got all benifits out of it.


Honestly, how much did your children pay in the NHS?
(I know, the National Health Service is financed primarily by general taxes, with smaller contributions coming from local taxes, payroll contributions, and patient fees.)

ehBeth,

Don't propose to send them anywhere, just withdraw all their benefits.

Walter, that is a little rude. You know that my children do not yet earn wages. However, they are seeing what the benefits of hard work can bring by looking to their hard working parents who have paid into the 'system' since they left school.

Also, I remember when Germany was the crushing, dominant force in the European economy. So do you say that the influx of immigrants does not affect the economic strength of a strong economy huh?

Germany got the bulk of her Turkish immigrants during the "economic miracle" in the 1950's and -60's. Most of the immigration of Turks since that time has resulted from contacts with those already in Germany. Trying to equate the economic slump in Europe with immigration in Germany is ludicrous, and either indicative of an ignorance of the economic factors which produced the current situation, or willfully disingenuous because of a dogmatic devotion to painting immigrants in the worst light. It gets harder and harder not to assume that your attitude is simply racist.

I tend to agree with Set here....

Hey Billy, You know what causes economic slump ? The attitude of workers who have been taught their rights and not their duties.....

For eg..

Today, tube drivers belonging to the RMT union have walked off on a strike because a train driver was suspended when he was spotted coming out of a sports club while on sick leave !!

When the Wall came down and the two German countries were reunited, were the citizens of one of those countries labeled as immigrants to the reunited Germany? Was there a great societal debate over government programs and beneficiaries who had not paid into them? If so, how was it resolved?

Bit late to this thread, but I was saving the best till last...

Gautam did I ever praise you? Shurely shome mishtake...ed.

I have to be honest and say I have some sympathy for Billy's position. But then he solved it by moving to a predominantly white area. So what's the beef now Bill?

(btw I used to work for Hick Hargreaves)

There are areas particularly in northern towns where pockets of ethnic minorities are concentrated. [A lot of them came to be exploited as a source of cheap labour in the cotton industry...who's "fault" was that?]

And its also true that because they felt vulnerable but at the same time had a strong sense of community identity, they tended to congregate together. Who's fault was that?

There has to be tolerance and understanding on BOTH sides, and we are 50 or so years too late in recognising this.

I'm reminded of stories I've heard in Norfolk (England) about black US servicemen during WW2. People would stop in the street and stare at them. They literally had never seen a black person before. Who's fault was that?

But I think overall we have made remarkable progress. England by and large is a tolerant and socially progressive place, and I would be much more concerned if no-one wanted to come and live here.

But of course there are other people around who are only too eager to exploit the race card for their own sinister political ends. They have become much more sophisticated in recent years, often coming across as quite reasonable if not liberal in their approach, until you get to find out what they would really like to do...

Not as immigrants, but as 'new citizens' - and the new states are called 'new states'.

There were some debates, e.g. if high rank spies, ministers, genarals etc should get the same high pensions as their (former western) counterparts (= yes, partly at least).

Women in the new states get much higher pension as their sisters in the former Federal Republic: although they paid nothing in the fonds, theuy have worked longer (due to the socialistic system of childcare, for instance).

Loud debates openly? No, only between 'friends', in the pub, after too much beer.

Out of the thread, but true:

on March 28, 1945, just an hour after my parents had married, they wanted to made a pilgramage to thank God that they were still alive, and my father got the idea, it could be of some good, if he got in touch with his commanding surgeon in the reserve military hospital in the next town.
(The pilgrimage chapel was in a village close by.)
When they were cycling along the "Reichs-Street No. 1", my mother in her Red Croos uniform, my father as freshly promoted surgeon lieutenant, my mother asked him, if that could be "Hermann's new secret weapon".
Even today she wonders, how fast my father wanted to through her in the road ditch: even if he hadn't seen many black persons rither, he knew, what a jeep with a star and three black uniformed persons inside meant.

Have been watching as the thread meandered through and around the subject as it ran it's course .
Walter IMO hit the nail on the head when he wrote. "


Can conflict be far behind?

No because more forward and enlightened people are in power than the Nazis. There are people who want to see conflict between Christian/Jewish and Moslem. Its the duty of every right thinking person to expose and defeat their arguments.

Hey,

and look what these 'natives' did when they didn't like his particular religion.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12926243,00.html


Thats what we shudda done. We shudda ate all the religious teachers

Steve

Was it any different prior to the Nazi's coming to power. Germany was probably the most enlightened nation in Europe prior to their rise. One never knows what tomorrow has in store or what spark will start the fire. However, the fuel for that fire may be being fed by this "Flood"

The last paragraph of the article:

"Cannibalism in Fiji died out in the mid-19th Century with the establishment of Christianity."


Isn't it time for humanity to progress beyond that? The folks in Fiji saw the light hundreds of years ago and are now making efforts to reach out. Why can't we?