Climate Change Politics

yeah yeah. I tell you, I wish it was all a scam, bad science, and hysteria. That would be just great. I would love it if the climate scientists were all wrong and the whole thing was a beat up. Just love it. I wish I could believe it. I would sleep better. But it isn't. In ten years time, 20 years, when I die, and so on, it will be a very big issue. It is not going away. Remove head from sand.

yeah yeah. I tell you, I wish it was all a scam, bad science, and hysteria. That would be just great. I would love it if the climate scientists were all wrong and the whole thing was a beat up. Just love it. I wish I could believe it. I would sleep better. But it isn't. In ten years time, 20 years, when I die, and so on, it will be a very big issue. It is not going away. Remove head from sand.

Prof Mann also said he could not "justify" a request from Prof Jones that he should delete some of his own emails to prevent them from being seen by outsiders.
"I can't justify the action, I can only speculate that he was feeling so under attack that he made some poor decisions frankly and I think that's clear."

If the UN is ever to be taken seriously in the future, it must act promptly to distance itself away from fraud and deceit.

That will be a very difficult task indeed, since it appears to the casual observer that Al Gore and the UN's IPCC led the way to climategate.

Best wishes for a complete and candid recovery!
Oliver K. Manuel
Former NASA PI for Apollo
Emeritus Professor of
Nuclear and Space Science

I think you should be wary of challenging the consensus of opinion on one rogue report.Energy and Global Warming News for October 26: Markey expands "clean coal" forged letter investigation Climate Progress

So in reality we could say we have a conspiracy. Now lets examine the evidence that is available with our own ability. Do we see the ice caps retreating? Do we have evidence that seas are becoming more acidic. Those temperatures, that are in question, are they having effects we can observe? to deny these observations because we may or may not have certain fraudulent records is bizarre. Observe my link above, does this report indicate that the arguments against global warming are dis-proven because of a few forged letters? It appears me no matter how much convincing evidence we may have for global warming one proposed gaff and the deniers think they have won the debate.

Not one denier has even attempted to remark on my link, does that imply they accept the deniers argument is biased and fraudulent?

does that imply they accept the deniers argument is biased and fraudulent?

You are confusing two items;
1/ warming, which has been going on since the last ice age ( my present location was deep under ice back then )
2/ man made warming due to GHG releases

You see originally the argument was that all the scientists who matter are in agreement that "x, y, an z" are true, that we are causing unprecendented warming which will lead to disaster.

and to back that up, they point out that historically, it has never happenend before.

critics say it has happened before, in the middle ages. The arctic was melted.

The new Phil Jones reports were to show that it didn't happen in the middle ages...he wants to change historical view, to say it didn't happen ...but our local boys have shown that this is based on a new hockey stick sales graph, with Jones' "evidence" - the rings from 12 trees found in Russia

your link does not work for me.

Seems it's not really a good link... eh ? bunk ?

why don't you quote relevant points from whatever bunk site you are viewing ?

Is your postition that 12 phony letters from some undisclosed proponents of the coal industry , likely prompted by lobbying efforts, proves something ?

what does it prove ?
nothing of interest ? right. nothing of interest.

It proves that the coal industry is intent on confusing the argument and is fraudulently making claims it cant explain.

Does it? or does it show that a company they hired had a problem..whether or not is actually was as they claim ( that a temp employee cheated on doing his work )?

either way, what does this show ?

What:perplexed: So they sack one guy because he was doing was expected of him. If you look at those who oppose the idea of climate change they are those with vested interests and they are using ever trick in the book to fraudulently oppose the consensus of scientific evidence. COME ON ARE WE EXPERIENCING TEMPERATURE RISES?

excuuuuuse me.....what does the 12 letters show ?

what does Phil Jones' emails show ?

Stop being evasive and answer the damned question.

hey ! first you demanded answer to the nonsense link. so you tell us what the significance is, to AGW, of 12 phony letters

Your avoidance has been noted. I answered your question about the significance of those letters but you did not respond to that either. Its obvious to all who observe this thread that your avoidance of a direct question is blatantly obvious. It only proves that deniers such as you have no idea what your talking about and you don't even know what your own views actually are.