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What do women look for in men Personality or Looks?

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 07:31 am
@The Pentacle Queen,
Over many years, that was the way several women spelled it out, without prompting.
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failures art
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 07:40 am
@The Pentacle Queen,
The Pentacle Queen wrote:

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When women talk among themselves about men, this is a common refrain: the ideal man has the outgoing, gentlemanly personality of a black man and the grooming of a gay man.


Not sure about the black man bit but amen to dressing like a gay man.

I was working on getting a perm so I could have a flat top with a fade! Are you telling me I did all this work for nothing?!?!

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 07:41 am
@aidan,
It's not "overly groomed," it is just not looking like a slob. I'm not a teeshirt fan and I am sick of men in tees. Come to think of it, I am sick of men in Hawaiian shirts!

When I looked at on line pictures from dating sites, and would see the wrinkly clothes and the uncombed hair, I would just click the photos away.

The characters your friend has developed sound amazing. Perhaps he should see about moving from busking to playing in clubs. Are there what are called 'open mics' in Britain? Open mics are nights set aside by performance venues when musicians with little experience can perform for a live audience. The audience pays a small cover, much less than they would for a headliner's show, and there is the chance of being bored to death, having their ears assaulted or of discovering a new talent.
failures art
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 07:55 am
@plainoldme,
I guess when I read it, "well groomed" man doesn't set off any alarms, but I'd be hesitant to critique a woman about not being "well groomed."

I guess I'm more into personality, and if we are talking about clothes, hair, etc, then I view these things as an expression of personality itself. Defining "well groomed" in that respect is less simple.

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 07:59 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I speak for myself. I am totally turned off by right wing men. When I have used an online dating service (which I no longer do), I have always stated liberal woman seeks left-leaning man.

A very tall retired naval officer and college prof from Vermont, sent me a message via the last site I used. I ignored men who did not interest me . . . it seemed then, and still seems, the most polite way to eliminate them. He had a rather long narrative in his profile about debating his (he used an adjective which I can not remember) conservative views against her "mildly liberal views." The implication was that he would defeat the woman but that it would be a wonderful evening. What a waste of time, I thought. What an annoyance.

Initially, he sent a long note that did not include the political debate. I then read the profile and knew I should not respond. A week later, he sent me an urgent message. Did I receive his bid for my attention? Surely, I must be interested in him, he wrote. I answered that I feel it is more polite to not respond to his -- or any man's message -- if I had no interest. I specified a liberal or left-leaning man.

He wrote back that he was surprised. Why was he surprised? Did he think I was bluffing?

You haven't caught on yet that I use language rather precisely. I say exactly what I mean. Occasionally, I do imply things. After all, there are times when an implication works better because one's partner in a conversation might need to be led to a conclusion s/he is missing. But you insult me to suggest that I would imply such stupidity.

I will say that my women friends . . . they are my friends after all. . .are turned off by conservative men. Hey, I bet michelle bachmann is turned off by liberal men!

plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 08:23 am
@failures art,
But grooming is an expression of personality. A couple of years ago, I took a workshop on resume writing. The instructor asked us to talk about our ideal work situation. Everyone else . . . mainly over-40 women . . .said they wanted to wear jeans to work. Ugh! When it was my turn, I said, I prefer skirts but with tights and "European comfort shoes" and not Manolos. I like a nice blouse or sweater. A blazer is great, too.

Jeans are great for going to a rock concert or cleaning the toilet or hiking but not for work. If I were to be happy wearing jeans to work . . . and I am not a gardener or an artist, someone with a huge talent that requires casual clothes to express that talent . . . I would say to the world that I don't think much of myself. I am a number one of the great masses.

Even at a retail job, were I to go to work with my hair uncombed and in wrinkled clothes, I would send everyone I saw a message that I didn't care two pins for them . . . or for myself.

What we wear and how sends a message about who we are. My alumni association formerly hosted an annual single events at a posh hotel. A Rhode Island lawyer was a regular attendee, always wearing a gawd awful tie. WOmen were turned off by his choice of ties. Should anyone think the guy needed a woman to take him in hand, I say no. LEt him express who he is. We women had the choice of smiling and saying a word or two, then walking on. The idea is not to change someone.


spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 09:19 am
@plainoldme,
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I have always stated liberal woman seeks left-leaning man.


I dress to the left POM. Does that count?

Grooming is window dressing. Advertising. One can only assume it is to attract others to oneself which shows how stupid it is.

Veblen had a theory that groomed married women served the purpose of avoiding their husband displaying his financial status on his shirtfront. A sort of discreet and fancy sandwich-board woman.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 09:34 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
I speak for myself. I am totally turned off by right wing men. When I have used an online dating service (which I no longer do), I have always stated liberal woman seeks left-leaning man.

A very tall retired naval officer and college prof from Vermont, sent me a message via the last site I used. I ignored men who did not interest me . . . it seemed then, and still seems, the most polite way to eliminate them. He had a rather long narrative in his profile about debating his (he used an adjective which I can not remember) conservative views against her "mildly liberal views." The implication was that he would defeat the woman but that it would be a wonderful evening. What a waste of time, I thought. What an annoyance.

Initially, he sent a long note that did not include the political debate. I then read the profile and knew I should not respond. A week later, he sent me an urgent message. Did I receive his bid for my attention? Surely, I must be interested in him, he wrote. I answered that I feel it is more polite to not respond to his -- or any man's message -- if I had no interest. I specified a liberal or left-leaning man.

He wrote back that he was surprised. Why was he surprised? Did he think I was bluffing?

You haven't caught on yet that I use language rather precisely. I say exactly what I mean. Occasionally, I do imply things. After all, there are times when an implication works better because one's partner in a conversation might need to be led to a conclusion s/he is missing. But you insult me to suggest that I would imply such stupidity.
Your exact words were:
"Finally, david, you make much of the what you feel are your
imperfect looks vis a vis success with women.
Have you ever considered that your politics are an enormous turn off? " [emphasis added by David]

That sounds like u r remarking about "women" generally, as a group,
denying that any of them vote the same way that I do or share my sentiments. I was taken aback to hear THAT from u.

Were u advising me to CHANGE my opinions, in hope of better "success with women" as u put it ????????


plainoldme wrote:
I will say that my women friends . . . they are my friends after all. . .are turned off by conservative men.
Hey, I bet michelle bachmann is turned off by liberal men!
That is plausible, in that presumably it is not a large group,
and not the entire female gender.

In my right wing political groups, we have female participants
who r very committed to the Originalist American point of vu,
in common with the Founding Fathers (as amended, per Article 5).
Indeed, I remember in 2000, there were some of them who became DESPONDENT in
their fear -- near terror and depression-- that Gore woud become President.
I had to calm them down, to assure them that there was extremely little chance of THAT happening. Of course, I was right.

My point is that we on the right, have very committed female supporters.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 09:41 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OSD wrote:
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My point is that we on the right, have very committed female supporters.


Yes you do! They are as misguided as you are, and people like Sarah Palin has been a good handicap for the republican party.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 12:24 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Most of GOP gals are trophies or gold diggers. Big tits and big wigs. Wink Laughing Mr. Green Drunk
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:01 pm
@talk72000,
I'm a gumpy Englishman talk and, as I don't know what GOP stands for, I wondered if it was a polite acronym for Girls Often Posting.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:05 pm
@spendius,
GOP: Ghouls Of Past. I could have sworn it that Wandel's daughter was here. Laughing Idea Mr. Green 2 Cents Drunk
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Sarah is a LEADER.

We were discussing female supporters, at lower levels.

Prof. Plain has counselled me toward ideological apostasy,
in hope of enticing more female women of the opposite sex;

either that, or

toward luring the female women with fraudulent hypocrisy.

Her intention is not entirely clear, owing to her failure
to use language rather precisely.





David

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:28 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
I'm a gumpy Englishman
probably attributable to not enuf ale, yet

spendius wrote:
talk and, as I don't know what GOP stands for,
I wondered if it was a polite acronym for Girls Often Posting.
YES, thay DO, and then we go with them to a Grand Old Party.





David
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:34 pm
@spendius,
I disagree and think grooming is part and parcel of who we are.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:38 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, you need to work on language a bit. I was pointing out that it may not be your square face that women do not like but your politics. Pretty straight forward, especially since you've been gnashing your teeth about your looks.

women like some pretty homely men. I've recently named a few not traditionally handsome men who are turn ons. Most women like brains, which I think is hard-wired into the female psyche, although some recent research seems to indicated that brains are inherited through the mother.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:39 pm
@talk72000,
Big tits?!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:39 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
sarah is anything but a leader.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:39 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
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I have always stated liberal woman seeks left-leaning man.


I dress to the left POM. Does that count?

Grooming is window dressing. Advertising. One can only assume it is to attract others to oneself which shows how stupid it is.

Veblen had a theory that groomed married women served the purpose of avoiding their husband displaying his financial status on his shirtfront. A sort of discreet and fancy sandwich-board woman.
???? a large diamond tie clip ?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:41 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
sarah is anything but a leader.
I probably shoud not ask this, but here goes: if not that, then what ?
 

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