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EDITORIAL: Packing a gun in Starbucks

 
 
Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 07:05 pm

EDITORIAL: Packing a gun in Starbucks
Coffee beans and firearms stir up a strong political brew

By THE WASHINGTON TIMES

If you want to have a nice, relaxing cup of coffee in a safe environment, try Starbucks.
The coffee-shop chain, generally known for environmentalist chic,
is probably one of the safest places to hang out these days for a reason
that doesn't fit its image - Starbucks is letting customers openly carry guns in its stores.
Americans thus can enjoy their rights and wash them down with a Frappuccino.

Not surprisingly, Starbucks has taken some flak for its stand.
The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, an organization
that has supported gun bans in Washington and Chicago, wants
guns kept out of Starbucks. Collecting signatures from across the
country, the gun controllers announced this week that they have
gathered 28,000 signatures to try to pressure the bean sellers to
hang fire. What the Brady Campaign actually did is misfire.

Here is some free PR advice for those who support gun bans:
28,000 signatures from a country of 200-some million adults is
embarrassingly small. The National Rifle Association, with more
than 4 million members, could collect that many signatures for the
opposite position in less than an hour. It's obvious which side won
this duel. Despite all the harping from the left, a spokesman for
Starbucks said last week that the company is sticking to its policy
of letting customers carry guns where it's legal.

From sea to shining sea, the climate for guns is changing, and the
progress extends beyond Starbucks. Major retailers such as Home Depot,
Best Buy and Barnes & Noble apparently also are friendly to people
who openly pack heat, according to the Wall Street Journal.
The Brady Campaign warns businesses that allowing customers to
carry guns will scare away other customers. Yet it seems pretty
obvious that the businesses themselves - despite all the pressure
they face from trial lawyers and bureaucrats to ban guns - are in a
much better position to know what their customers want.

Hollywood and the liberal media have skewed public perceptions
to such a degree that most Americans probably don't realize that
not so long ago, people openly carried guns without a second
thought all the time. Up until 1969, all but one of the public high schools
in New York City had rifle teams. Thousands of students carried
their rifles every day on subways, buses and streets on their way to school,
when they went to practice in the afternoon and on their way home.
The students would store their guns in homerooms in the morning
and then pick them up in the afternoon. In more normal times,
no one thought it was a big deal.

Liberals claim they believe in science, but guns vividly illustrate their intellectual blinders.
There is not a single refereed study by criminologists or economists using crime data from across America
that shows that right-to-carry laws increase violent crime.
The academic debate in refereed journals has been over how large the benefits are.

Here is a prediction: In a very short time, all the furor over Starbucks' pro-gun policy will be forgotten.
The gun grabbers might not like it, but most Americans respect the right to keep and bear arms - even in a coffee shop.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 07:06 pm

From every Moutainside: let Freedom Ring !





David
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 07:54 pm
Sorry, I do not want some trigger-happy turkey sitting there just itching for his chance to pull his piece and "protect" me. I would rather sit there in "danger". As long as those paranoid assholes come in with guns, I'm NOT coming in. Starbucks is losing my business.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 08:08 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
What a strange idea of freedom! You know the old saw . . . a conservative is just a liberal who has been mugged . . . well, what would happen if a gun-toter in Starbucks winged David?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 08:27 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
What a strange idea of freedom! You know the old saw . . .
a conservative is just a liberal who has been mugged . . .
well, what would happen if a gun-toter in Starbucks winged David?
INTENTIONALLY ?
roger
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 08:35 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Never been married, have you David? Some of these women think you're out getting laid if you are out of sight for five minutes. I mean, Hell, you've got the equipment.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 08:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Sorry, I do not want some trigger-happy turkey
sitting there just itching for his chance to pull his piece and "protect" me.
I would rather sit there in "danger". As long as those paranoid assholes come in with guns,
I'm NOT coming in. Starbucks is losing my business.
That 's a whole lot of PROJECTING your fantasies into the editorial there, Jack.
There is nothing in the account about anyone being "trigger-happy".
That is only your delusion.
There was no diagnosis of paranoia in the account; that only came from u.
Please TELL US of your diagnostic technique, Dr. Jack,
about how u don 't need to examine the subject to render a diagnosis?

Judging from the fact that Starbucks is a for-profit business
and it is preserving its freedom-based policy,
it looks like it is doing good business.

I 'll tell u what, Jack:
maybe I 'll go in to Starbucks twice as much as I usually do,
to compensate for your loss. How 's that ?





David
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 08:40 pm
I never much liked Starbuck's anyhow. Way too elitist. I prefer an honest donut shop which doesn't try to confuse you with multiple choices of coffees. Just a simple, "You want regular or decaf?" And none of this crap with 'vente' or 'grande' or whatever the hell you call it. Just coffee, please.

One more reason now to avoid Starbuck's like the plague. Cripes, you could get shot and kilt in there!
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 08:41 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

Never been married, have you David?
Some of these women think you're out getting laid if you are out
of sight for five minutes. I mean, Hell, you've got the equipment.
Marriage is unnecessary to know THAT, Roger!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 08:44 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:
I never much liked Starbuck's anyhow. Way too elitist. I prefer an honest donut shop which doesn't try to confuse you with multiple choices of coffees. Just a simple, "You want regular or decaf?" And none of this crap with 'vente' or 'grande' or whatever the hell you call it. Just coffee, please.

One more reason now to avoid Starbuck's like the plague.

Cripes, you could shot and kilt in there!
Yeah, right, because its happened so many times !
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 08:59 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Precedent isn't relevant here, Dave. I'm taking no chances.
boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 09:15 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I think this whole controversy is hilarious.

Okay... the Pacific Northwest is know for being politically liberal.

But it's the frikken west for christsake, everyone has a gun.

You can be politically liberal and still own a gun. Especially if you spend any time in the great outdoors, or your backyard where there are bears and cougars.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 09:21 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:
Precedent isn't relevant here, Dave. I'm taking no chances.
I didn 't know that was possible! Good luck.

The only time someone shot at ME,
I was driving home around midnite from my girlfriend's house.
I thought I was taking no chances then, either.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 09:27 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
I think this whole controversy is hilarious.

Okay... the Pacific Northwest is know for being politically liberal.

But it's the frikken west for christsake, everyone has a gun.

You can be politically liberal and still own a gun.
Especially if you spend any time in the great outdoors, or your backyard where there are bears and cougars.
That makes sense to me, Boomer.
I can understand that liberals wanna remain alive as much as anyone.

One of the gun freedom movement's foremost supporters,
of many years' standing is John Dingell, the most senior member
of the US House of Representatives and a liberal Democrat from Michigan.





David
boomerang
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 09:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You won't catch me applauding the NRA who I think are batshit crazy and who I think give gun ownership a bad name. I have a hard time with every flavor of extremists.

Most people who own guns are peaceful and nonviolent. I have no problem with those people carrying guns.

I have a VERY serious problem with people who have children and still are too stupid to keep their guns locked away. I HATE having to quiz the parent's of Mo's friends about gun protocol. Mo is fascinated with guns. If there happens to be one on the loose in someone's house he wouldn't be able to keep his hands off of it. Not everyone is responsible with their guns.

I think it is AMAZINGLY irresponsible of gun manufacturers to not adapt some of current technology into gun safety. In my opinion, the person who purchases the gun should be the only person capable of firing the gun. That kind of recognition has to be available and gun makers are jerks for not using it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 09:51 pm
Starbucks is making a point here. SO, I will take my starbucks frequent buyer card, shred it and send it to Starbuck himself. I too have rights. First is my right of peacable assembly with agroup who is not carrying guns.
Lets see if Starbucks makes another stupid decision like their "Premium ground coffee in a bag " which is 180 from their original model of "fresh" coffee beans . Their sales tanked with that one and also their shitty attempts at food service.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 10:18 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
You won't catch me applauding the NRA who I think are batshit crazy and who I think give gun ownership a bad name.
I have a hard time with every flavor of extremists.

Most people who own guns are peaceful and nonviolent. I have no problem with those people carrying guns.

I have a VERY serious problem with people who have children and still are too stupid to keep their guns locked away. I HATE having to quiz the parent's of Mo's friends about gun protocol. Mo is fascinated with guns. If there happens to be one on the loose in someone's house he wouldn't be able to keep his hands off of it. Not everyone is responsible with their guns.

I think it is AMAZINGLY irresponsible of gun manufacturers to not adapt some of current technology into gun safety. In my opinion, the person who purchases the gun should be the only person capable of firing the gun. That kind of recognition has to be available and gun makers are jerks for not using it.
Most earnestly, with a vu toward personal safety,
I believe that a careful effort shoud be made to inform children
about guns and exactly how thay work. It is error to have them be
the BIG MYSTERY, or the forbidden fruit of which thay know not, thereby to make them more enticing.
In my opinion, gun safety shoud be taught at the youngest possible age to prevent accidents resulting from ignorance.

When I was a kid in Arizona long ago,
we never acted in a chaotic fashion, ill-considered with our guns,
the same as when we did carpentry we never sought to hit
anyone with our hammers, nor stab anyone with a screwdriver.




David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 10:21 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Starbucks is making a point here.
SO, I will take my starbucks frequent buyer card, shred it and send it to Starbuck himself. I too have rights.
First is my right of peacable assembly with agroup who is not carrying guns.
I 'm sure that all good Americans 'd support your First Amendment right & your right to use the US Mail.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 10:31 pm

Boomer,
If I remember,
sometime in the past, u said that Mo had reading problems.
Maybe he 'd be inclined to exert the effort to read books about guns,
their history with pictures and diagrams of how thay function.

If not books, then magazines
(the kind that u read, not the kind that u stuff ammunition into)
are available; u can Google them.





David
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Irishk
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 11:11 pm
I've never seen anyone in any type of retail establishment that had a gun LOL. Ever.

Edited to add: Yes I have. Cops...in donut shops LOL.
 

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