EDITORIAL: Packing a gun in Starbucks

Not to mention his plan to go back in time and kill Karl Marx
when a time machine is invented (good luck on that one, David).

I am a small woman, 5' 3" tall, who seldom feels frightened in public places.

What is so dangerous about Starbucks that one needs a gun?
Starbucks cafes seem little different than Dunkin Donuts cafes in all reality.

Furthermore, it strikes me that the only paranoid is David.

He rants on and on like a broken record about how he is a security fan.

I am a small woman, 5' 3" tall, who seldom feels frightened in public places.

In fact, the last time I was frightened was just before Ashcroft's appearance in Boston,
where I joined the protest. Although a veteran of civil rights and anti-Vietnam marches,
I knew the government was crazier then than it had ever been,
perhaps, since the run up to the Civil War.

I was afraid some federal marshal or SS man might hit me in the face with something.

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I have not discussed plugging someone, so far as I remember.

Your obliqueties on the subject are almost laser-like on that very subject. You post about the utility of a gun when needed and , to me, that inb=volves plugging someone. Im sure I can go back in this thread,(I have neither time nor interest to do so) and find somew references by you that can easily be interpreted to mean pluggery.

Notice the circularity of David's arguments?

Notice how he emphasizes the right to carry for self-defense?

Notice how he maintains that his definition of "individual liberty"
is that everybody has the right to carry a gun, even felons?

Notice how his justification for packing then becomes that we need to carry guns for self-defense
against the people he has just armed?

No guns, no need for self-defense from them.

And don't give me any **** about knives. Carry a ten-foot pole.
It's perfectly legal. Whack 'em before they can get in range.

Another reason is, as someone who used to conceal carry in AZ (before I moved to this stupid state of IL), I used to avoid going into stores that didn't allow CC because I didn't want to leave my gun in the car. There is a lot of car theft/break-ins in AZ and I did not want my gun to fall into the wrong hands.

Do I need to remind you once again, David,
that most of the guns used in crimes were either
obtained "legally" or from those who obtained them legally?

Guns used in crimes are mostly bought from stores that don't check very thoroughly or from gun shows where no checks are required, or by straw buyers who have no criminal record and then pass the guns on, or from thefts from gun stores or gun companies, or (a big source) from legal owners whose homes are burgled (thieves often not being totally stupid, wait til you leave and THEN burgle your house, when your gun doesn't do you a damned bit of good).

It's the "legal" sources that are the major source of supply,
in one way or another, for illegal uses. Again, no guns, no gun crime.

You're an enabler, David. You don't arm crinminals directly,
but you make it easy for them to get guns and use them.

Exactly...so what do you think Starbucks should do?

It seems that people here think that (where legal) gun owners should leave their firearms in their car when they run into Starbucks; where there is a good chance they'll be stolen and used by criminals to commit crime.

OR

They could peacefully carry them into Starbucks, get their coffee, and everything would be fine.

OR they could leave them at home,
like people who live in a civilized society do.

that is the most peculiar example of "unwholesome" I have ever seen.
Al Capone is unwholesome. Leaving your gun at home is not.