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Why are people against homosexuality?

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 10:05 pm
Homosexuality (and incest, too) were common in ancient Egypt. Homosexuality was common and was even celebrated in ancient Greece. Despite a blue-stocking here and there, the Romans tolerated homosexuality, as well (at least until the christians arrived)--Iulius Caesar was well known to be bi-sexual. Alexander the Great had open homosexual affairs.

The distinction between that and the later attitudes was the arrival of christianity, with its fundamentally Judaic attitudes toward homosexuality. Despite idiot child responses such as DTKO has made, this is demonstrable historical fact.

In response to Eva, i would simply point out that after almost 2000 years of christian bigotry, she'd be hard-pressed to convince me that the hatred of homosexuals among those who are not practicing christians did not originate with christianity.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 10:18 pm
@Setanta,
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In response to Eva, i would simply point out that after almost 2000 years of christian bigotry, she'd be hard-pressed to convince me that the hatred of homosexuals among those who are not practicing christians did not originate with christianity.


Homosexuality has been at least discouraged by just about every peoples through history, Christianity has nothing to do with it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 10:21 pm
Your ignorance is unsurprising, Rapist Boy. Apparently, you didn't read the rest of my post or chose to ignore it. You're pathetic.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 10:30 pm
Quote:
"The noble lover of beauty engages in love wherever he sees excellence and splendid natural endowment without regard for any difference in physiological detail." - Plutarch

The ancient Greeks are widely known for their homosexual exploits. Many ordinary people are aware of Greek homosexual love poetry, the same-sex relations of Greek gods and heroes, and the homosexual relationship between Alexander the Great and Hephaestion.

This is only a recent development. Until the second half of the 20th century, historians avoided saying much about the sexuality of the ancient Greeks out of sense of propriety. In 1901, an English classicist named John Addington Symonds published A Problem in Greek Ethics addressing homosexuality in Ancient Greece, but it was provided only to "medical psychologists and jurists" and the number of copies was intended to remain under 100.


From "Religion Facts-dot-com's" page on homosexuality in Ancient Greece

You can click the link below to learn about "Religion Facts-dot-com"

http://www.religionfacts.com/about.htm

I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this, precisely because it is the Rapist Boy who is peddling this bullshit. Well educated people, who are familiar with ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome know this, even if shorteyes here doesn't.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 10:35 pm
I am no expert on the topic, but I do know from my own reading that you are correct, setanta.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 10:39 pm
"Hawkeye" does not appear to be an expert on anything, EB--but that doesn't stop him from making stupid remarks such as his latest.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sun 31 Jan, 2010 10:48 pm
@blueprince,
Some random thoughts.

- People need very little to hate. You can just look different (racism) and that can be enough.

- Gender roles can touch on intimate areas. For example men might be more comfortable being nude around other men than women because the other men are not evaluating their attractiveness. A gay man would break this comfort zone for them.

- They may just find the concept of same-sex sex off-putting. Similar to how they might find the concept of their parents having sex off putting, on some level it can just be a matter of aesthetics or taste.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 02:55 am
@blueprince,
It just a sexual disorder not something to be against or for however the movement tie to it for so call gay marriages and so on can be fought and for good reasons.

No not religious reasons it just that the society have no business promoting relationships that does not affect the rest of society as a whole.

Promoting the relationships between heterosexual couples is for the benefit of all of us as that is center of creating and raising the next generation and always had been but without that there is no reason in the world where resources should be directed to try to establish and maintain long term private relationships.

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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 03:21 am
@Setanta,
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In response to Eva, i would simply point out that after almost 2000 years of christian bigotry, she'd be hard-pressed to convince me that the hatred of homosexuals among those who are not practicing christians did not originate with christianity.


That might be true about those homophobes who are practicing Christians, but what about those who practice another homophobic religion?

You can't have it both ways. If you don't believe that the Bible or any other religious text is divinely inspired and is just the cobbled together writings of a bunch of ancient zealots - WHY do you think there's this common theme among the MEN who wrote these texts concerning the inherent sinfulness of homosexuality? If it isn't God who's doing the dictating, it's the MEN of the time who are inserting their biases, right? So this distaste didn't just arise out of nowhere when Jesus came on the scene- maybe these MEN just used Jesus as the conveniently martyred talking head for their own agendas- just like hate mongering people continue to do to this day.

And I always think it's interesting to see nonreligious folk give religion such POWER when it comes to convincing people to hate and be violent and totally ignore that the same POWER might be present and part of the causation when people are loving and forgiving.

Because what someone does in their own bedroom is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. But if anything, my brand of Christianity would be instrumental in making me feel guilty and hateful if I looked at homosexuals with derision.
I think taste has much more to do with it than religion.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 04:02 am
3 good reasons.
dicks dont belong in sewers.
anuses are made for exiting not entering.
**** stinks.

Having said that i believe its up to the individual to make decisions about how they treat their body.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 04:10 am
@dadpad,
Ordinarily, I don 't approve that language,
but I gotta say: I sure AGREE with your way of thinking !!!!!





David
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 05:01 am
@dadpad,
Why does the discussion on homosexuality default to homosexual men? It seems like discussion on homosexual relationships is so rarely about relationships and almost entirely about the fear of butt sex.

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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 05:58 am
@Diest TKO,
and a good number of people who preach against man on man sex, sure will sit down to some woman on woman porn.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 06:04 am
@shewolfnm,
shewolfnm wrote:
and a good number of people who preach against man on man sex,
sure will sit down to some woman on woman porn.
THAT is much NICER n more natural.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 06:59 am
@shewolfnm,
shewolfnm wrote:
and a good number of people who preach against man on man sex, sure will sit down to some woman on woman porn.


Yes, and I believe this supports my either post about the fear of their own predatory sexual nature being reversed on them. Two lipstick lesbians do not threaten a man. Switch it up with two more butch types, and then the man start to become offended that he is irrelevant and sexually undesirable.

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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 07:00 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

shewolfnm wrote:
and a good number of people who preach against man on man sex,
sure will sit down to some woman on woman porn.
THAT is much NICER n more natural.

How is homosexuality of one gender any more or less natural than the other?

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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 07:10 am
In my opinion, evolution has included sexuality in the design of humans and other animals as a way of producing offspring. Incidentally, I do not take that to mean that sex cannot be performed for fun too. Anyway, this being the case, I believe that homosexuality is the result of a malfunction of some sort. The mechanism causing the disorder will probably be explicitly identified some day. I know that no one asks for what he is born with, and I want everyone to get what he needs to be happy, but that does not extend to laws which would explicitly or implicitly endorse homosexuality as normal.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 07:13 am
Excellent question, TKO, I expect you will receive some more mumblings about taste.
Joe(which is all in their mouths.)Nation
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 07:14 am
Two observations.

One if for Aidan's stupidity. A truly confused and confusing ramble through what passes for its thought processes. I'm not trying to "have it both ways," either--that's more stupidity because i've never denied that some poor saps are motivated by the the love thy neighbor schtick. Aidan is constructing straw men. It is knee-jerk with its type to rush to defend christianity from any charge of turpitude. It wants to suggest that christianity and christians can do no evil in exactly the same manner that it falsely alleges that critics says in can do no good. In observing that middle eastern religions are virulently homophobic, i've not said that there is not good in the practitioners of those religions. Aidan needs to get over itself.

I said middle eastern religions, so that covers Judaism and Islam as well as christianity, by the way. I'm pointing out that this is the poison of a poison tree, and that all of these major religious traditions hark back to Judaic homophobia (just as they hark back to Judaic misogyny). The major religious adherence among the pre-Islam Arabs was confessional Judaism. Both Christianity and Islam imbibe their homophobia and their misogyny from Judaism.

The second is to observe that female homosexuality was prevalent among the pre-christian ancients of the western world, too. The French word for a female homosexual is saphiste, which refers to an ancient greek poet who wrote beautiful, lyrical poetry to her lover. She lived on the island of Lesbos, which is why female homosexuals are called Lesbians in English.

Although it pains me to suggest that anything David writes is worth, he reveals why it is probable that female homosexuality has not been as common condemned, or as vigorously pursued--prurient interest. Not that he deserves any credit for making the point, he just illustrates it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 1 Feb, 2010 07:25 am
@Brandon9000,
Nice work, Brandon, to try to dress up your religious bigotry in robes of scientific respectability. What do you say about studies with laboratory rats which show a rise in homosexual activity when living conditions become crowded? What about bonobos, Brandon? Have you even ever heard of bonobos? Not only does homosexual behavior seem common among them, but it is used to foster social bonds and reduce aggression and tension in the band.

Kind of shoots you disguised "God hates a fag" propaganda, dressed up with an evolutionary lab coat.
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